QUOTE(Rehael @ 4 Jan 2011, 10:00 PM)
Cine-a spus ca ceilalti nu sunt sau nu pot fi definiti axiomatic?
Pai hai sa reluam discutia si sa vedem... Uite cum a decurs conversatia, eliminand (pentru usurinta intelegerii) jignirile pe care mi le tot adresezi:
Rehael: Dumnezeu este definit axiomatic, asadar nu este necesara demonstrarea lui.
Abis: De ce n-ar fi necesara demonstrarea?! Asa, toti zeii omenirii sunt definiti axiomatic, nu este necesara demonstrarea lor, si credinta in orice zeu este justificata in exact aceeasi masura.
Rehael: Nu, nu. Esti tu incult si nu reusesti sa recunosti o definitie axiomatica
Abis: Daca D-zeul crestin este definit axiomatic, de ce nu accepti ca si toti ceilalti zei ai omenirii sunt definiti in acelasi mod? De ce credinta intr-unul este mai justificata decat credinta in oricare dintre ceilalti?
Rehael: Cine-a spus ca ceilalti nu sunt sau nu pot fi definiti axiomatic?
Eu chiar nu inteleg ce vrei sa spui.
Ok, sa zicem ca D-zeul crestin este definit axiomatic. De ce este necesara aceasta axioma?
Daca D-zeul crestin este definit axiomatic si in acelasi timp tot axiomatic sunt definiti toti ceilalti zei, de ce credinta intr-unul dintre ei este mai justificata decat credinta in oricare altul? De ce ar trebui aleasa axioma "exista D-zeul crestin (eventual in varianta ortodoxa, nu catolica, luterana, adventista etc)"? De ce ar trebui sa credem ca exista D-zeul crestin si nu unul din lista (departe de a fi exhaustiva) de mai jos?
Zei in care nu ar trebui sa credem:
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