QUOTE(abis @ 16 Jun 2008, 01:25 PM)
Cum sa fie in plan secundar? Credinciosul crede in D-zeu, ateul nu crede in D-zeu. Credinta in D-zeu ori in alt zeu sau lipsa credintei defineste credinciosul, respectiv ateul.
Poftim, fa un sondaj in randul ateilor si intreaba-i cati dintre ei sunt adeptii ideii "cred ca nu exista nici un zeu"... Asa cum stii, eu ma consider ateu. Tu ma consideri la randul tau ateu. In discutia noastra nu am sustinut niciodata ca nu exista zei, ci intotdeauna mi-am exprimat rezervele fata de argumentele celor care sustineau existenta zeilor... Asadar, daca vrei sa fi consecvent, ar trebui sa renunti la a ma numi pe mine ateu!
Pai daca toti cei care se considera atei spun ca ei sunt atei pentru ca nu cred in D-zeu sau in alti zei, si nu pentru ca ar crede in inexistenta zeilor, de ce vii tu si le pui in carca credinte ori opinii pe care nu le-au exprimat?
Nu ai argumentat. Ateii pozitivi sunt cei pe care ii insisti tu sa-i numesti atei; ateii negativi sunt cei carora le refuzi, nu stiu din ce motive, statutul de ateu. Si unii, si altii fac parte din categoria ateilor. Cum se face ca dictionarul care pare ca iti da tie dreptate este unul bun, iar cel care pare ca imi da mie este dintr-o data incomplet?
Am luat primele linkuri din cautarea cu google.
theist
A theist is someone who denies that God doesn't exist; an atheism denier.
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Main Entry:
the·ism
Pronunciation:
\ˈthē-ˌi-zəm\
Function:
noun
Date:
1678
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world
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–noun 1. the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism).
2.
belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism). [Origin: 1670–80; the- + -ism]
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n. Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world.
the'ist n., the·is'tic, the·is'ti·cal adj., the·is'ti·cal·ly adv.
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theist
1662, from Gk. theos "god" (see Thea) + -ist. The original senses was that later reserved to deist: "one who believes in a transcendant god but denies revelation." Later in 18c. theist was contrasted with deist, as allowing the possibility of revelation. Theism "belief in a deity" is recorded from 1678; meaning "belief in one god" (as opposed to polytheism) is recorded from 1711. Theistic is attested from 1780.
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adjective
1. of or relating to theism
noun
1. one who believes in the existence of a god or gods
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Ca in dictionarele romanesti teismul si ateismul se refera la ceea ce omul crede despre existenta lui Dumnezeu. Nu la prezenta/absenta credintei in El. Pentru acel lucru a fost inventat alt cuvint. Opinia, "crede ca exista", nu trebuie confundata cu credincios lui Dumnezeu. Poti sa crezi ca exista si sa nu fii credincios, asta am mai discutat. Cind crezi ca nu exista sau nu crezi ca exista si afirmi aceasta esti ateu...