QUOTE(Artanis @ 4 Oct 2007, 12:16 PM)
Nu discutam daca este sau nu crestinesc, aratam doar ca gestul respectiv numai laic nu este.
Ai dreptate, nu este laic (asa cum nu este nici un gest crestinesc
), nu este un gest normal intr-un stat secular, nu este decat inca un semn ca mai este mult de lucru pana cand separarea statului de religie va avea cu adevarat loc.
La celelalte chestiuni am mai raspuns.
EDIT:
Hai sa vedem ce spune cineva neutru, sa citim in
Raportul Departamentului de Stat al Statelor Unite din 14 sepembrie 2007 cu privire la libertatea religioasa. Aflam despre abuzuri si situatii discriminatorii care ne situeaza pe o "axa a raului", doar zece state fiind puse la index dintre cele 198 analizate: China, Iran, Eritreea, Birmania, Romania, Slovacia, Vietnam, Turkmenistan, India, Bangladesh, Arabia Saudita. Au fost criticate:
1. Alianta toxica pentru democratie dintre biserica si politica: „The Romanian Orthodox Church exercises substantial influence in its dominant role among a majority of the population and policymakers, and Orthodox religious leaders almost exclusively preside over state occasions. In particular, many Orthodox leaders make public appearances with prominent political figures, and religious messages often contain political promises or goals, and support for particular political positions.”
2. Prezenta simbolurilor religioase în unitatile publice de invatamant:„In November 2006 the CNCD, in reply to a complaint filed by a Buzau-based NGO, asked the Ministry of Education to remove religious symbols from schools, with the exception of classrooms where religious classes were taught. The decision caused vehement reactions by the Orthodox Church. In December 2006 the Ministry of Education decided that parents, local communities, and school management should have decision-making power on the presence or absence of icons in the classroom. The debate continued and no action had been taken by the end of the reporting period.”
3. Fortarea unor elevi de a urma ore de religie ortodoxa: „Minority religious groups, including the Greek Catholic and Baptist Churches, credibly asserted that authorities pressured children of other faiths to attend classes of Orthodox religion. Allegedly some schools purposely scheduled Orthodox religion classes in the middle of the day so that all students were required to attend.”
4. Oficierea unor slujbe religioase ortodoxe in scolile si instituţiile publice in general: „In addition, the Baptist Church continued to report that, at some festivities in public schools, officials required all students to attend Orthodox religious services.” (...) „In addition, authorities have allowed only the Orthodox Church to have an active role in opening ceremonies in schools and on other occasions”. „Similar official conduct requiring attendance at Orthodox religious services also reportedly occurred within the army. (...) The Seventh-day Adventist Church complained that authorities invited only the Orthodox Church to the National Day celebration.”
5. Caracterul intolerant la adresa altor culte al manualelor de religie ortodoxa: „Several NGOs and minority religious groups complained about an Orthodox religion textbook published in July 2006 by the Ministry of Education with the coordination of the State Secretariat for Religious Affairs. The book described the emergence of the Greek Catholic Church in the 18th century as the result of "Catholic proselytizing" and described the Jehovah's Witnesses, Baha'is, and Mormons as sects "representing a genuine threat to the society." A chapter in the book says that sects proselytize using means such as brainwashing, bribing, blackmailing, and exploitation of the poor.””
6. Art. 13 (2) din Legea privind libertatea religioasă şi regimul general al cultelor(8) care limitează grav libertatea de exprimare:„NGOs, the National Anti-Discrimination Council (CNCD), and religious groups expressed concern that a provision forbidding religious defamation and hatred, as well as the public offense to religious symbols, might infringe on freedom of speech and religion.”
7. Sistemul restrictiv de înregistrare a minorităţilor religioase: „The new religion law has been criticized by civil society groups and international organizations such as the U.S. Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (Helsinki Commission) and the Council of Europe's Venice Commission. The Government did not consult with unrecognized religious groups regarding the draft law. Of the 18 recognized religions that were consulted by the Government, the Greek Catholic Church and Jehovah's Witnesses refused to support the draft law from the start, while the Baptist Church withdrew its support after its proposed amendments were excluded from the text. The law requires a very high numerical threshold of 0.1 percent of the population--or approximately 22,000 persons--for new religious groups to qualify for religion status, a membership number that even some recognized religions do not have. In addition, minority religious groups must undergo a 12-year waiting period in order to qualify for the more preferential religion status. Civil society organizations recommended the elimination of both requirements during the debates on the draft religion law.”