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Muncitorii vor plati impozite mai mici, ceea ce compenseaza faptul ca o parte din munca lor se transforma in profit pentru patron.
N-am inteles, probabil ca vrei sa spui ca in egalitarism muncitorii vor plati impozite mai mari. Improbabil insa, din moment ce nu e nevoie de creearea unui "super-stat" care sa asigure egalitarismul. Odata ce egalitarismul va fi impus prin lege, imncalcarile lui vor fi considerate infractiuni si tratate ca orice fel de infractiune din prezent, de politie si tribunal, care exista deja.
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Lasa-l pe fiecare muncitor in parte sa decida daca este de acord sau nu sa-si vanda forta de munca, de ce vrei sa le impui aceeasi solutie tuturor?
Din moment ce am spus ca schimbarea trebuie sa vina pe cale perfect democratica, prin vot, e clar ca nu e vorba de nicio impunere.
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Desigur, asta inseamna libertate de exprimare. Cu care am inteles ca si tu esti de acord. Fiecare are dreptul sa-si spuna punctul de vedere, nu? Vrei sa interzici oricui nu este de acord cu egalitarismul sa isi afirme opiniile?
Daca majoritatea poporului va alege egalitarismul ca organizare sociala, si o va vota democratic, atunci bogatii vor pierde din resurse si din prim-planul mediatic pe care acestea le asigura. Nu va fi vorba insa de nicio cenzura, ci doar de o schimbare democratica si corecta.
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Conform statisticilor realizate inainte de '89, Romania avea saracie zero, productia industriala si agricola bateau record dupa record, dar in realiltate...
E de discutat cat la suta erau minciuni si cat adevaruri, insa pana una-al;ta, statisticile despre progresele Cubei iti reamintesc ca sunt mentionate in raportul CIA, adica al serviciilor de informatii americane.
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Intrebare: daca cei din Cuba sunt atat de fericiti, de ce fug pe capete in SUA? Exista o explicatie stiintifica pentru exodul masiv al cubanezilor?
Da, unii cetateni cubanezi aleg sa se stabileasca in SUA, insa n-am auzit de vreun numar nemaipom,enit de mare. De ce o fac? Probabil ca din mai multe motive, care se prea poate sa nu aiba nicio conotatie negativa asupra regimului politic de acolo. De pilda unii din ei, suferinzi de boli psihice sau nu, pot prezenta o inclinare deosebita asupra materialismului. Altii o pot face din simplu spirit aventurier, pt, a vedea cu se traieste "dincolo", fara ca asta sa insemne ca sunt neaparat nemultumiti de conditii din Cuba, unde nimeni nu traieste sub pragul saraciei, somajul e aproape inexistent, iar sanatatea si invatamantul sunt la un nivel performant (BTW, Cuba are, conform UNESCO, cea mai scazuta rata a analfabetismului din America Latina), in ciuda embargoului impus si in ciuda pierderii de aproape 20 de ani al principalului aliat international, URSS. Altii pot pleca in SUA pt. acolo au rude sau familii etc.
In plus, daca emigrantii din Cuba ar fi o dovada a nefericirii socialiste, arunci si emigrantii din tari capitaliste precum Mexic, Nigeria, Polonia, El Salvador, Filipine, Coreea de Sud, Macedonia, Romania sunt dovezi ale nefericirii capitaliste.
Si te intreb si eu: daca poporul cubanez ar fi atat de nefericit sub socialism, cum de a tolerat regimul castrist de atatia zeci de ani, mai ales cand super-puterea vecina ar avea tot interesul sa sprijine o revolta anti-castrista?
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Despre Chavez nu comentez, pentru ca nu m-a interesat pana acum subiectul Venezuela.
Pai sa-ti dau eu un punct de inceput:
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[i]Realizarile exceptionale pe plan social si economic ale presedintelui socialist venezuelean Hugo Chavez sunt confirmate de un studiu recent, aparut luna trecuta, realizat de realizat de Center for Economic and Policy Research.
„Venezuela has experienced very rapid growth since the bottom of therecession in 2003, and grew by 10.3 percent last year. The mostcommonly held view of the current economic expansion is that it isan "oil boom" driven by high oil prices, as in the past, and isheaded for a "bust." The coming collapse is seen either as a resultof oil prices eventually declining, or as a result of the government'smismanagement of economic policy.
There is much evidence to contradict this conventional wisdom. Venezuela suffered a severe economic growth collapse in the 1980s and1990s, with its real GDP peaking in 1977. In this regard it issimilar to the region as a whole, which since 1980 has suffered itsworst long-term growth performance in more than a century. Hugo Chávez Frias was elected in 1998 and took office in 1999, and thefirst four years of his administration were plagued by politicalinstability that had a large adverse impact on the economy. (SeeFigure 2). This culminated in a military coup that temporarilytoppled the constitutional government in April 2002, followed by adevastating oil strike from December 2002-February 2003. The oilstrike sent the economy into a severe recession, during whichVenezuela lost 24 percent of GDP.
But in the second quarter of 2003, the political situation began tostabilize, and it has continued to stabilize throughout the currenteconomic expansion. The economy has had continuous rapid growth sincethe onset of political stability. Real (inflation-adjusted) GDP has grown by 76 percent since the bottom of the recession in 2003. It islikely that the government's expansionary fiscal and monetarypolicies, as well as exchange controls, have contributed to thecurrent economic upswing.Central government spending has increased from 21.4 percent of GDP in1998 to 30 percent in 2006. Real short-term interest rates have beennegative throughout all or most of the recovery (depending on themeasure—see Figure 4).
The government's revenue increased even faster than spending duringthis period, from 17.4 to 30 percent of GDP over the same period,leaving the central government with a balanced budget for2006. The government has planned conservatively with respect to oilprices: for example, for 2007, the budget plans for oil at $29 perbarrel, 52 percent under the average $60.20 dollars per barrel thatVenezuelan crude sold for last year. The government has typically exceeded planned spending as oil prices come in higher than thebudgeted price, so it is possible that spending would be reduced ifoil prices decline. (...)
The poverty rate has decreased rapidly from its peak of 55.1 percentin 2003 to 30.4 percent at end of 2006, as would be expected in theface of the very rapid economic growth during these last three years. (See Table 3). If we compare the pre-Chávez poverty rate (43.9percent) with the end of 2006 (30.4 percent) this is a 31 percentdrop in the rate of poverty. However this poverty rate does nottake into account the increased access to health care or educationthat poor people have experienced. The situation of the poor hastherefore improved significantly beyond even the substantial povertyreduction that is visible in the official poverty rate, whichmeasures only cash income.
Measured unemployment has also dropped substantially to 8.3 percentfor June 2007, its lowest level in more than a decade; as compared to15 percent in June 1999 and 18.4 percent in June 2003 (coming out ofthe recession). Formal employment has also increased significantlysince 1998, from 44.5 to 49.4 percent of the labor force. e. It alsomakes it extremely difficult for the economy to diversify away frompres nt rate ). Over the last three months it appears to havestabilized at 19.4 percent. It does not appear that the current economic expansion is about toend any time in the near future".
http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications...ela_2007_07.pdfCat despre maoism, acesta a fost un sistem remarcabil, ale carei realizari sunt incontestabile, nu ultima dintre ele fiind dublarea mediei de varsta a populatiei si transformarea Chinei dintr-o ruina intr-o super-putere mondiala, pe cand in prezent e caracterizata de inegalitati si polarizari sociale tot mai mari si, dupa cum spunea cineva chiar pe acest topic, de corporatii americane care folosesc chinezi pt. productie la salarii de nimic.
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Daca este doar o ipoteza, sa asteptam intai sa devina certitudine, si apoi sa tragem concluzii.
Ipoteza e doar explicatia mea, insa cresterea mortalitatii infantile in statele ce permit inegalitati de venit in paralel cu scaderea ei in statele egalitariste sunt realitati.
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Banii respectivi nu sunt impozitati in Romania.
Nu fii naiv. Banii respectivi sunt folositi pt. a achizitiona produse si servicii, iar astfel creste cifra de afaceri a intreprinzatorilor romani, care, automat, platesc impozite mai mari si astfel bugetul statului creste. Este insa o crestere ce nu are nimic in comun cu cota unica de impozitare.