curent social democrat! o fi avut parti bune doar pentru germani

o fi fost, dar eu nu cred, daca a fost masoneria a facut putin pentru el, ma gandesc ca poate l-a lasat in viata probabil ca o pedeapsa, desi din cate stiu masonii procedeaza altfel.

daca tinem cont ca in '38 a avut loc Kristallnacht, iar la acea data Hess era un demnitar nazist care nu a luat atitudine, putem presupune ca a fost de acord cu aceste actiuni cel putin pana la plecarea sa.

aici e ceva straniu, trebuie sa ai forta mentala necesara sa te sinucizi la 93 de ani, or la varsta asta cei mai multi batranei sunt deja impacati cu sensul vietii sau senili.

in primul rand pentru ca germanii vroiau sa-l rapeasca, sau sa-l omoare, apoi a existat o relatie intre casta militara germana si familia regala britanica, unde existau membri care simpatizau cu nazismul. ca o ciudatenie a acelor vremuri, in mai toate statele "democratice" daca se poate spune asa, au aparut partide naziste.

Walter Richard Rudolf Hess, to be more accurate:

Al treilea personaj important in ierarhia hitlerista, singurul mason din ea.

Dupa câte stiu, Hess a sters-o în Anglia. Dar nu tocmai Anglia a finantat nazistii?

Dar nu tocmai Anglia a finantat nazistii?

familia rotschild nu era americană la momentul ăla?

cine a zis ca era americana? desi la acea data faceau afaceri si in America, as putea sa mai adaug, evrei austrieci, elvetieni, francezi, etc. dara textul era :"familia Rothschild si multi alti afaceristi evrei, americani si englezi care au facut afaceri foarte bune cu nazistii"

Al treilea ? Stiu ca era loctiitorul lui Hitler, numit asa chiar de Fuhrer.Deci al doilea om in stat.

Count me out of this ...

Discutam de Walter Richard Rudolf Hess si de prestatia naucitoare a acestui personaj.
Dupa spusele lui insa intrase intr-un proces invers de evolutie, indreptandu-se ...spre maturitate.
Hess a depus o singura declaratie care contine elemente premonitorii si afirmatii ce par fanteziste..De ce ??

Hess a incercat acolo o abordare masonica.
nu a fost decat partial o abordare masonica, de fapt hess nu mai era mason la cea vreme.
totul e invaluit de mister.
ba deloc totul se leaga

multi nazisti fiind prinsi de acest curent al misticismului care poate avea legatura cu masoneria sau nu.

Faceau parte dintrun Ordin secret numit Miscarea Thule...sau Societatea Thule....nu, nu avea legatura cu Masoneria, desi propunea la fel ca ea o noua ordine a lucrurilor...

sau de o varza ar fi mai bine.

MmmmDa, o leguma, cu care, se pare ca tu ai foarte multe lucruri in comun.
te referi la morcov probabil
Nu are absolut nicio importanta perioada in care Miscarea Thule a avut vreo influenta, ci influenta ei in sine ar putea fi in discutie...dar nici asta nu e...
.....Vorbim de unul Hess...iti spune ceva ??
miscarea thule a fost interzisa de prin 1933 (asa multa influenta a avut), apoi ultimii ezoterici neaprobati de partid au luat calea lagarelor in '40 dupa fuga in anglia lui hess. masoneria fusese de mult interzisa de fiuraras
Spune-mi prietene, doar asa dintrun capriciu, pentru ce simti tu nevoia sa dai replici peste tot sau mai bine zis preponderent, pe acolo pe unde nu ai nimic de spus ??
imi place sa "dialoghez" cu oameni care au idei fixe si solide.

dude, incearca sa nu te informezi de pe internet, iti strica valoarea si faci un potpurri de informatii ireale din care tragi concluzii abisale.

cum ar fi concluzia ca al treilea om in reich si prezentat drept fiuraras adjunct a luptat pentru binele planetei (si al masoneriei) in lupta cu entitatile alea extraterestre.

si daca tot esti pe acolo , prin zona "gri" ar fi bine sa expui si dovezile incontestabile ca fiurarasul a zburat spre antartica cu un ozn creat de nazisti si a iesit la pensie acolo printre pinguini.

ca sa te ajut un pic, incercarea de a il prezenta pe rudolf ( nu ma refer la renul mosului) drept mason, face reclama intr-un mod foarte inteligent masoneriei

"De ce a fost izolat Hess de către englezi şi ţinut ascuns ??"

At the close of World War I in 1919, under the terms of the Versailles Treaty, Germany was allowed to keep only 100,000 men in the army and 15,000 in the navy. They were not permitted to have submarines or military aircraft. This situation remained basically stable for the next 14 years until Hitler came to power in 1933 and then, in March of 1935, instituted conscription and renewed military training in open violation of the treaty.

To achieve the extravagantly ambitious goal of world conquest, Germany would need a bright new army of young, ruthless, efficient, well-trained storm troopers numbering in the millions. In 1933 that seemed like an impossible dream, since the army then consisted mainly of 100,000 aging, dispirited veterans of WWI, and some raw recruits. It seemed especially hopeless in view of the depressed economic conditions in Germany at that time.

Yet, in September of the very next year, six months before conscription began, at the Nuremberg Nazi Rally of 1934, 160,000 stalwart German soldiers with backpacks and rifles stood silently at attention in precise ranks as Hitler, Heinrich Himmler and SA chief Viktor Lutze walked down the wide center aisle towards flaming columns bordering a gigantic wreath honoring German soldiers killed in battle.

This fantastic scene was captured in the now famous documentary, Triumph of the Will by legendary film photographer Leni Riefen-stahl.

Where did those 160,000 perfect young soldiers come from?

In October of 1935, Hitler supplied the answer to that riddle when he made public that he had kept 21 infantry divisions "under wraps" in 1934, and he announced that they would now become the core of the new German army - the Wehrmacht.

So that's where the 160,000 came from, but where did the 21 divisions come from?

Consequently, Haushofer emerged with an illustrious war record, and became well-known throughout Germany.

It was only very reluctantly that Haushofer agreed to attend the treason trial of a rabble-rousing, brawling street politician named Adolf Hitler in 1923. He finally consented, after much persuasion by a student at the University, Rudolph Hess. Disinterested at first, by the time Hitler delivered his final oration in court, Haushofer, like Eckhart, was convinced that he had found the savior of the German people that he had been seeking.

Haushofer subsequently visited Hitler frequently in his plush cell at the Landsberg Fortress with books and papers under his arm, and helped him to write what became the bible of the Nazi movement, Mein Kampf, virtually dictating long passages. Haushofer’s domination of the entire philosophical basis of the Nazi movement was solidified when he founded the “Luminous Lodge” or Vril Society in Berlin in the 20s.

This eventually became the “inner circle” of the Thule Society, and reportedly attracted members from other occult movements in Europe, as well as from Tibet, Japan, India, Kashmir, Turkey and Ceylon.

Iti vand un pont, potrivit unei teorii numita (in mare) solipsism, daca pui singur intrebari, nascocesti declaratii si inventezi raspunsuri este posibil sa ai de fiecare data dreptate, desi in cazul tau s-ar putea ca nici atunci..

este daca Hess e intr-adevar acel personaj pe care si-l aminteste in general istoria.

Rudolph Hess was captured in 1941 in Scotland during a solo flight while on a mission to meet with Golden Dawn figure The Duke of Hamilton trying to arrange for some sort of peace settlement. The Golden Dawn is an esoteric Order founded in England in the 1880's. The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was originally heavily influenced by Freemasonry. Its three founding members were prominent Masonic figures and early members of the first Masonic lodge of research Quatuor Coronati Lodge No. 2076. Also with the the Golden Dawn at the time was none other than Aleister Crowley, who was actively involved with British Intelligence M.I. 5 which had it's own official Occult Division/Department.Crowley and the Golden Dawn, O.T.O., Theosophy crowd were involved with a number of key Nazi Occult figures.

Like Adolf Hitler, Hess always felt strongly attracted by the occult. He volunteered for the army as soon as World War I began, and soon was placed as officer in an infantry regiment. During the war Hess was wounded twice. When the war ended he went to Munich and joined the Thule Society. He was only 22.

Hess was one of the hundreds of war veterans recruited in Munich by Freemason Baron von Sebottendorf [1] to join the Freikorps. Hess joined the Freikorps and became an expert street fighter helping them in getting the leftist revolutionaries out of Munich.

A few months later Hess became Hitler's personal secretary. With Hitler he participated in the frustrated Munich Beer Hall putsch of 1923. He escaped to Austria, but when Hitler was sent to prison he gave himself up to the authorities in order to join the Führer at Landsberg. Some people believe that Hess was instrumental in Hitler's decision of adopting the swastika as the Nazi symbol.
Sharing the prison tied even more the homoerotic bond between the two men. Hess helped Hitler in writing Mein Kampf. It was there when he told Hitler about his professor, the geopolitician Karl Haushofer. He introduced Hitler to Haushofer and the professor became a frequent visitor to Hitler's cell at Landberg.When the Nazis took power over Germany and Hitler became the Führer of he Third Reich, Hess fortune seemed linked forever to Hitler's. The Führer named Hess his heir-apparent. On May 10, 1941, however, a strange incident occurred. Following Haushofer's suggestion, Rudolf Hess astonished the world by flying alone from Germany to Scotland and parachuting near the state of the Duke of Hamilton to contact some British members of the Golden Dawn and deliver a peace proposition

The Thule Gesellschaft was founded in 1919 by Baron von Sebottendorf. Born in Saxony in 1875, he was the son of a Silesian locomotive conductor. His true name was Adam Rudolf Glauber. He adopted in 1911 the name Baron von Sebottendorf after the death of the later.

Sebottendorf was a Freemason.

Just before World War I he made several trips to the Near East. During the Balkan War of 1912-1913, he directed the Turkish Red Crescent and was named a Master of the Order of the RoseGarland (Rosenkranz). Expelled from Germany as an undesirable alien (he had been a Turkish citizen since 1911), he returned to Turkey in 1924. From 1929 to 1931 he roamed through Mexico and the United States.

By 1919 he founded the Thule Society and elevated himself to the rank of Grand Master. He exerted considerable influence in high German circles.

Inspired by Madame Blavatsky, he brought to life the age-old myth of Atlantis, calling it Thule. Occultists believe that that Thule, like Atlantis, was the center of a vanished civilization whose members had magic powers.

It is believed that Sebottendorf drowned in 1945.

The Legacy of Rudolf Hess

Mark Weber

On the evening of May 10, 1941, the Deputy Führer of the Third Reich set out on a secret mission that was to be his last and most important. Under cover of darkness, Rudolf Hess took off in an unarmed Messerschmidt 110 fighter-bomber from an Augsburg airfield and headed across the North Sea toward Britain. His plan was to negotiate peace between Germany and Britain.

Four hours later, after successfully evading British anti-aircraft fire and a pursuing Spitfire, Hess parachuted, for the first time in his life, and sprained his ankle landing in a Scottish farm field. An astonished farmer found the injured pilot and turned him over to the local Home Guard unit. [1]

Winston Churchill promptly rejected Hess' peace offer and jailed him as a prisoner of war, even though he had arrived unarmed and of his own free will. Rudolf Hess, ambassador of peace, was to remain a prisoner until his death in August 1987 at the age of 93.

For many, the passing of the one-time Deputy Führer and last surviving member of Hitler's inner circle simply marked the welcome end of a terrible era. But his true legacy is something far different. He spent 46 years -- half his life -- behind bars, a victim of a cruel victor's justice. More than any other man, Rudolf Hess symbolizes the vindictiveness and hypocrisy of the Nuremberg Tribunal.

Nothing better points up the essential injustice of the Nuremberg process than the court's treatment of Rudolf Hess.

In fact, the Allied case against Hess was weak. The Führer had kept his deputy in the dark about his foreign policy and military decisions. It was clearly established at Nuremberg that Hess had not been present at any of the meetings at which Hitler discussed his military plans. [12] And, of course, he could not be held responsible for German actions that took place after his flight to Britain, including those carried out during the campaign against the Soviet Union.

Nevertheless, the Tribunal declared Hess guilty of "crimes against peace" ("planning and preparation of aggressive war") and of "conspiracy" with other German leaders to commit the alleged crimes, but innocent of "war crimes" and "crimes against humanity."

No reputable historian today believes the Nuremberg charge that Hess was guilty of "crimes against peace."

The eminent British historian Professor A. J. P. Taylor summed up the injustice of the Hess case in a 1969 statement: [15]

Hess came to this country in 1941 as an ambassador of peace. He came with the ... intention of restoring peace between Great Britain and Germany.

He acted in good faith. He fell into our hands and was quite unjustly treated as a prisoner of war. After the war, we could have released him.

No crime has ever been proven against Hess ... As far as the records show, he was never at even one of the secret discussions at which Hitler explained his war plans.

He was of course a leading member of the Nazi Party. But he was no more guilty than any other Nazi or, if you wish, any other German. All the Nazis, all the Germans, were carrying on the war. But they were not all condemned because of this.


That Rudolf Hess -- the only one at Nuremberg who had risked his life for peace -- was found guilty of "crimes against peace" was certainly the Tribunal's most ironic perversion of justice.

Hess nu a plecat de nebun in Scotia si nici nu s-a parasutat (pentru prima data in viata) in vreun loc necunoscut. Urmarea sa ia legatura cu Golden Dawn

Nu cumva invazia a avut deja loc ???.

.......ce motiv aveau entitatile aliene sa dezvolte un conflict mondial terestru ?? ...ceva ce ar explica si explozia tehnologiei de dupa ww2 ??

Intr-o alta varianta la fel de fantezista, se sugereaza ca chipurile care au revolutionat tehnologia mondiala de dupa anii '70 ar fi de fapt elementele esentiale ale unei alte civilizatii. In aceptiunea noastra de azi un fel de oua, sau mai degraba de larve, ori poate paraziti. Azi sunt nepericuloase si utile, maine insa, atunci cand vor atinge un grad de evolutie care sa le permita asta, se vor transforma eliberand un set de instructiuni inscris deja nu in felul in care au fost structurate ci insusi in modul lor de conceptie.

nu subscriu la asa ceva...insa nici nu pot ignora o astfel de varianta, macar ca pe o sugestie la ceva mai credibil.

Intr-o alta varianta la fel de fantezista, se sugereaza ca chipurile care au revolutionat tehnologia mondiala de dupa anii '70 ar fi de fapt elementele esentiale ale unei alte civilizatii. In aceptiunea noastra de azi un fel de oua, sau mai degraba de larve, ori poate paraziti.

...poate c-ar trebui sa faci o distinctie intre intrebarile/speculatiile pe care le faci in calitate de Dude, si cele facute in calitate de mason (daca tot ai amestecat si aspectul asta in poveste)

nu de alta, ar Dincolo de ratiune e un teren fertil pentru teorii conspirationiste.

De exemplu, daca li s-ar induce vag ideea ca SI masoneria este interesata pe bune de intrebarile din postarile tale de mai sus, pentru unii ar fi un semnal de alarma...

Marturisesc ca m-am gandit deseori la ipoteza pe care o prezinti mai sus - in acelasi timp sunt constient ca as fi si genul de om care cauta explicatii metafizice (=dincolo de ceea ce accepta oficial fizica de azi) pentru orice banalitati cotidiene (nu ca n-ar avea si banalitatile cotidiene un substrat metafizic...)

Asadar, pana la urma, Hess apare ca un tip OK.

Mai exact? ... vreau sa vad daca te gandesti la acelasi lucru la care ma gandesc si eu.

Rudolf Hess este un personaj cu adevarat controversat...poate prea putin mediatizat.

Mason de obedienta engleza zboara in Scotia pentru a cauta un duce...si pentru a impartasi o viziune (Vrill) si pentru a cladi o pace.Nu mai sunt multi ani si o parte din adevar va fi dezvelit...(in 2017 date despre Hess vor fi facute publice)
Peste tot se sugereaza ca acest numar 3 in ierarhia nazista...(atentie March dupa testamentul politic al lui Hitler, Goring este urmatorul apoi Hess).. alaturi de Himmler seful SS ar fi inceput o constructie stiintifica bazata pe ideea ca stramosii comuni ai omenirii si in special al rasei germane ar fi provenit dintr-un teritoriu denumit Shambala (Agartha) undeva din centrul pamantului.(O poveste fascinanta a unui regat cu un rege al lumii, 5000 de savanti, 365 de cardinali, 12 membri ai unei Initierii Supreme multii Maestri etc..si in final dupa cel de-al treilea razboi mondial presarat de catastrofe naturale si o fisura la poli, acesti subpamanteni se vor uni cu supravietuitorii de la suprafata si vor "vesti mileniul de aur" ) Karl Maria Wiligut (cea care stabileste insemnele SS aceleasi cu cele ale Skull&Bones...mult pentru conspirationisti ) si Haushofer (un profesor interesant) i-au influentat pe cei doi asupra acestei ipoteze...cat si intreaga "Societate Thule" sau mai bine zis loja "Schwarze Sonne" (Soarele Negru)
Acum ca nu au fost atat de bine informati si ca unii dintre ei au considerat Shambala...undeva in plan subteran si nu extraterestru..e alta discutie.

Cat priveste finantarea nazismului ar trebui studiata linia Morman-Warburg-Schimitz-Thyssen.

Daca speculam toate aceste informatii ajungem la o intrebare pertinenta...de ce Rusia a pastrat un contingent militar in plin teritoriu NATO pentru acest personaj?