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Stiu ca Iliescu a furat revolutia, stiu ca a adus minerii sa curete Bucurestiul de "teroristi" ,care erau de fapt oameni care protestau impotriva lui. Ce fac alte guverne face si al nostru, uite ca nu gasesc documentare despre ce s-a intamplat la noi altfel le postam
Uite am gasit unul http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...452&q=mineriada

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http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

America si fascismul, siteul e facut ca o impotrivire la siteul despre New American Century, se arata mai multe principii definitorii ale fascismului , si fiecare principiu este documentat cu linkuri spre articole care descriu ce anume s-a intamplat. Aduni aceste "intamplari" si obtii o trasatura a fascismului. Dar "Cand noi il facem nu e fascism"

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1.)  Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2.)  Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3.)  Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4.)  Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5.)  Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6.)  Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7.)  Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses

8.)  Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9.)  Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10.)  Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11.)  Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12.)  Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

13.)  Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14.  Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


Pe site toate aceste afirmatii au in spate fapte reale - articole si povesti, din ziare si surse respectate. Unite ne dau o imagine a extremei drepte in actiune, lucrul ala de care nu suntem siguri daca trebuie sau nu sa ne ferim
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Definitia din Wikipedia

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Fascism (IPA: [ˈfćː.ʃɪ.zm̩]) is a political ideology and mass movement that seeks to place the nation, defined in exclusive biological, cultural, and/or historical terms, above all other sources of loyalty, and to create a mobilized national community.[1] Many different characteristics are attributed to fascism by different scholars, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, authoritarianism, militarism, corporatism, collectivism[2], anti-liberalism, and anti-communism. For further elaboration, please refer to fascism and ideology.


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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...q=fascism%2BUSA - un film de 14 minute "America de la libertate la fascism"


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America nu ar exista fara evrei, so...


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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...q=fascism%2BUSA

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

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"Less access than Kazakhstan. Fewer fail-safes than Venezuela. Not as simple Republic of Georgia. The 2004 Elections according to international observers.
As for electronic voting, Gould said he preferred Venezuela's system over the calculator-sized touchpads in Miami.

"Each electronic vote in Venezuela also produces a ticket that voters then drop into a ballot box," Gould said. "Unlike fully electronic systems, this gives a backup that can be used to counter claims of massive fraud."


Dupa cum se vede observatorii internationali ai alegerilor prefera sistemul din Venezuela
Bye bye America "land of the free"


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QUOTE (jet li @ 13 Jan 2007, 03:22 PM)
film de 14 minute "America de la libertate la fascism"

Cica o clona a lu' Hitler ( cu esenta de Luis Farrakhan si Dave Duke tongue.gif ) s-ar afla undeva intr-un bunker din muntii statului Colorado unde misuna agentii FSB-ului ca s-o anihileze . Astfel vor scapa si americanii de fascism ! laugh.gif Va fi un serviciu contra serviciu ! Vidi ajutoarele din WW2 .

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QUOTE (jet li @ 13 Jan 2007, 03:22 PM)
- un film de 14 minute "America de la libertate la fascism"

Iata o dovada ca USA este un stat fascist ! rofl.gif

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http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Nu stii nimic March, uita te la link, ce se intampla in USA are toate trasaturile fascismului, si uita-te si la filmul ala de 14 min, nu stiu ce e de ras


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QUOTE (jet li @ 13 Jan 2007, 07:08 PM)
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Nu stii nimic March, uita te la link, ce se intampla in USA are toate trasaturile fascismului, si uita-te si la filmul ala de 14 min, nu stiu ce e de ras

Inca esti un invatacel ( confuz) la istoria universala moderna ! Istoria si politica nu sunt niste jocuri video ! tongue.gif


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Ce jocuri video ?


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QUOTE (jet li @ 13 Jan 2007, 07:23 PM)
Ce jocuri video ?

Cum nu stii ? Aaaa,stirea asta n-o gasesti pe gugal. Cica "Tribunul" a fost solicitat ca consilier pentru rezolvarea problemei evreiesti in USA ! laugh.gif

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Ce problema evreiasca in USA ? USA sunt prieteni cu evreii, evrei sunt destui si in USA, nu au nici o problema cu ei insisi.
Ce legatura are cu jocurile video si cu "tribunul" ? Sau cu ce am spus eu mai sus ?
Imi zici ca nu stiu istorie, pentru tine fascism inseamna ca neaparat trebuie sa se ia de evrei , altfel nu e ?

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Yesterday on Fox News, talk radio host Mike Gallagher said the U.S. government should “round up” actor Matt Damon, “The View” host Joy Behar, and MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann and “put them in a detention camp until this war is over because they’re a bunch of traitors.”

Gallagher was upset over Behar’s comment that Time magazine should have chosen a controversial “Hitler-type” like Donald Rumsfeld as its Person of the Year. Gallagher said Damon should also be incarcerated because he “attacked George Bush and Dick Cheney”; he didn’t explain why he wanted to imprison Olbermann. Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/20/gallag...amon-olbermann/

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QUOTE (jet li @ 13 Jan 2007, 07:44 PM)
Ce problema evreiasca in USA ? USA sunt prieteni cu evreii, evrei sunt destui si in USA, nu au nici o problema cu ei insisi.

Am s-o parafrazez pe mumia aia din Piata Rosie : Invata, invata, invata ! Si vei afla care-i legatura dintre fascism si evrei ! Sau vrei sa spui oare ca evreii americani nu sunt fascisti ?! unsure.gif tongue.gif


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Eu incerc sa vorbesc simplu sa ma inteleaga oricine. Zi mi ce ai de spus. Da si evreii sunt fascisiti ,adica cei care au banci si corporatii in US sunt implicati in toata treaba - razboiul din Irak si dictatura in formare din USA

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The embryonic LifeLog program would dump everything an individual does into a giant database: every e-mail sent or received, every picture taken, every Web page surfed, every phone call made, every TV show watched, every magazine read.


Ce frumos suna, avand toate datele astea ei masoara intentiile cuiva de a deveni "terorist". Foarte bine nu ? Asta pana cand vine gestapoul american la usa si zice veniti cu noi pentru niste intrebari, cine stie ce a calculat programul lor

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QUOTE (jet li @ 13 Jan 2007, 08:12 PM)
Da si evreii sunt fascisiti ,adica cei care au banci si corporatii in US sunt implicati in toata treaba

Bre, atunci dupa adanca matali logica astia ar trebui sa fie prietenii evreilor fascisti americani ! laugh.gif

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March am zis eu ca islamistii si jihadul sunt buni ? Citatul din semnatura mea e pentru ambele parti dintr un conflict. AM zis ca e dictatura in USA si asa e


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Eu zic ca USA nu e o tara dictatoriala ci este cea mai democratica din toate.
Are si un motto la moda in democratie: ce noua ne place interzice altora...
Si aici modul de punere in practica a acestui motto... spoton.gif
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..daca in USA e dictatura la noi e jihad?... ohyeah.gif


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Eu nu am zis ca in USA este dictatura, am zis ca USA nu este o tara dictatoriala rofl.gif Ce au ei in interior e strict problema lor... Cand le da pe-afara democratia, atunci e ... cool...
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Bre jet li, tu ai o obsesie cu americanii.... rofl.gif


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Da de cand am aflat cine e de vina pentru 9/11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...amp;q=Olbermann - Habeas Corpus nu mai exista in USA. Nu e nici o "teorie a conspiratiei", e lege - Patriot Act

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Daca e sa ne luam dupa ce spui tu inseamna ca si noi romanii traim sub dictatura...


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Noi avem Habeas Corpus, la noi presedintele nu poate aresta pe oricine fara dovezi si sa il tina inchis oricat. La ei poate, spune ca o sa aresteze numai "teroristi"


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QUOTE (jet li @ 14 Jan 2007, 02:36 AM)
- Habeas Corpus nu mai exista in USA. Nu e nici o "teorie a conspiratiei", e lege - Patriot Act

Pai, nu stiai ? Membrii Congresului sunt arestati de mult si inlocuiti cu niste robotei care voteaza automat la apasarea unui buton de la Casa Alba ! Asa s-a intamplat si cu "Patriot Act" tongue.gif


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Stii ce jura orice presedinte ? Sa apere constitutia. Cum se schimba constitutia ? Cu referendum, Bush a folosit 9/11 si frica oamenilor pentru a schimba constitutia si a avea Patriot Act. Oricine l-a votat e un tradator


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QUOTE (jet li @ 13 Jan 2007, 06:36 PM)
Da de cand am aflat cine e de vina pentru 9/11

Bravo, da nu prea vrea sa te creada lumea pe aici......Tu traiesti in america?


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Nu, in Romania, nu mai stau sa scriu despre 9/11 cine vrea sa caute, 9/11 e doar o consecinta, nu cauza a tot ce se intampla - razboaie pentru petrol, saracie in lumea a 3 a , dictatura in formare in USA, etc. Cauze sunt prostia si lacomia - in principal in conducerea USA, impotriva prostiei pot sa lupt punand niste linkuri pe aici si facand oamenii sa isi puna intrebari
Nu spun ca cei care nu credeti ca mine sunteti prosti, va consider neinformati, informatia e putere. Prosti sunt aia care ne conduc si nu cred ca mai multa informatie i-ar face sa se schimbe, de fapt ei stiu tot

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QUOTE (jet li @ 14 Jan 2007, 03:43 PM)
... va consider neinformati, informatia e putere.

Cum naiba n-au aflat inca aia de la SRI sau SIE despre persoana matale ? unsure.gif laugh.gif


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Trebuia sa stii tu sau eu daca aflau ei ? De unde stii ?
Uite-l pe Hitler in actiune :

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"Do you believe as Commander in Chief you have the authority to put the troops in there no matter what the Congress wants to do," 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley asks Bush in the short clip uploaded to the CBS News web site Friday night.

"I think I've got, in this situation, I do, yeah," Bush said.

"Now I fully understand they will," Bush continued, "they could try to stop me from doing it, but, uh, I've made my decision and we're going forward." 


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Coane, ai trecut cumva pe la Guantanamo de esti asa de pornit ? unsure.gif tongue.gif


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March ai ceva de zis despre postul de mai sus ? Nu e nici o problema cu USA si cu dictatorul lor in devenire. Ca de obicei te iei de mine si nu de subiect


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QUOTE (jet li @ 14 Jan 2007, 05:54 PM)
March ai ceva de zis despre postul de mai sus ? Nu e nici o problema cu USA si cu dictatorul lor in devenire. Ca de obicei te iei de mine si nu de subiect

Pai topicul asta si afirmatiile astea obsesive despre o asa-zisa dictatura in SUA au legatura cu persoana matali ! tongue.gif Sunt unii pe aici anti-Bush sau anti-americani dar , fata de tine, sunt cu picioarele pe pamant !


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Si de unde crezi ca am luat acea afirmatie a domnului Bush ? E vina mea ca spune si face asemenea lucruri, incat doar faptul ca il citez, ii face pe altii cum ai fi tu, sa ma creada nebun ?


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Aici ce face Bush cu Constitutia USA, sau "Bush vs Constitutie", da sa fie iertat e mai prost el asa
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...amp;q=olbermann

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publ...icle_7779.shtml
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"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"


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QUOTE (jet li @ 14 Jan 2007, 08:18 PM)
Si de unde crezi ca am luat acea afirmatie a domnului Bush ? E vina mea ca spune si face asemenea lucruri, incat doar faptul ca il citez, ii face pe altii cum ai fi tu, sa ma creada nebun ?

Amice,
Matale ai o mare problema ! Nu stii care e diferenta dintre o dictatura si o democratie ! Asa ca mai pune mana pe carte si dupa aia vino aici si comenteaza fara a mai produce ploaia asta interminabila de link-uri la un topic al carui titlul nu-l pot considera decat o bascalie ! Sau mai bine o prostie !

Daca io as lansa aici un topic cu titlul " RPD Coreeana - o adevarat democratie " lumea m-ar considera oleaca sonat ! tongue.gif



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