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Vă invit la o dezbatere despre limitele şi prejudecăţile creştinului vis-a-vis de alte religii.


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Metaphysical Truth:
Metaphysical Truth is both expressible and inexpressible: inexpressible, it is not however unknowable, for the Intellect opens onto the Divine Order and therefore encompasses all that is; and expressible, it becomes crystallized in formulations which are all they ought to be since they communicate all that is necessary or useful to our mind. Forms are doors to the essences, in thought and in language as well as in all other symbolisms.

Metaphysics:
A priori, metaphysics is abstract; but it would not be what it is if it did not give rise a posteriori to concrete prolongations on the plane of our human and earthly existence. The Real encompasses all that is; the consciousness of the Real implies all that we are.

Metaphysics (aim):
Without a doubt, metaphysics aims in the first place at the comprehension of the whole Universe, which extends from the Divine Order to the terrestrial contingencies – this is the reciprocity between Atma and Maya – yet it offers in addition intellectually less demanding but humanly crucial openings; which is all the more important in that we live in a world wherein the abuse of intelligence replaces wisdom.

Metaphysics (two dimensions):

Metaphysics has it were two great dimensions, the one “ascending” and dealing with universal principles and the distinction between the Real and the illusory, and the other “descending” and dealing on the contrary with the divine life in creaturely situations, and thus with the fundamental and secret “divinity” of beings and of things, for “all is Atma.” The first dimension can be called “static” and is related to the first Shahadah and to “extinction” (fana), or “annihilation” (istihlak), whereas the
second appears as “dynamic,” and is related to the second Shahadah and to “permanence” (baqa). By comparison with the first dimension, the second is mysterious and paradoxical, seeming at certain points to contradict the first, or again, it is like a wine with which the Universe becomes intoxicated. But it must never be lost sight of that this second dimension is already implicitly contained within the first – even as the second Shahadah is derived from the first, namely from the “point of intersection” illa – so that static, elementary or separative metaphysics is sufficient unto itself and does not deserve
any reproach from those who savor the intoxicating paradoxes of the unitive experience.
That which, in the first Shahadah, is the word illa will be, in the first metaphysics, the concept of universal causality: we start out from the idea that the world is false since the Principle alone is real, but since we are in the world we add the reservation that the world reflects God; and it is from this reservation that springs forth the second metaphysics, from whose point of view the first is like an insufficient dogmatism. Here we see in a sense the confrontation between the perfections of incorruptibility and of life: the one cannot be had without the other, and it would be a pernicious optical error to despise doctrine in the name of realization, or to deny the latter in the name of the former. However, since the first error is more dangerous than the second – the second moreover hardly arises in pure metaphysics and, if it does, consists in overestimating the letter of
the doctrine in its formal particularism – we would recall for the glory of the doctrine this saying of Christ: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” The Hindu, or Hindu-Buddhist, theory of the upayas perfectly takes account of these dimensions of the spiritual realm: concepts are true according to the levels to which they relate; it is possible to transcend them, but they never cease to be true at their own level, and that level is an aspect of Absolute Reality.
In the sight of the Absolute, envisaged as pure Self and unthinkable Aseity, metaphysical doctrine is assuredly tinged with relativity, but it nonetheless offers absolutely sure reference points and “adequate approximations” such as the human spirit could not do without; and this is what the simplifiers in pursuit of the “concrete” are incapable of understanding. Doctrine is to the Truth what the circle or the spiral is to the center.


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shapeshifter   De Ce Mintea Creştinului Nu Poate înţelege Alte Religii   27 Mar 2009, 04:33 PM
actionmedia   Poate sa le inteleaga. Dar le respinge pentru ca s...   27 Mar 2009, 06:55 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(actionmedia @ 27 Mar 2009, 06:55 PM...   27 Mar 2009, 07:11 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 07:11 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:25 PM
Artanis   shapeshifter, te-ai intrebat daca nu esti chiar tu...   27 Mar 2009, 07:12 PM
shapeshifter   desigur! nu sunt! Vorbesc dintr-o perspect...   27 Mar 2009, 07:33 PM
Cucu Mucu   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 07:33 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:33 PM
Artanis   Si pe ce criterii separii religiile de "facat...   27 Mar 2009, 08:07 PM
shapeshifter   întreabă-l pe clopoţel   27 Mar 2009, 09:02 PM
Artanis   Pai eu cu tine vorbeam...tu spuneai ca iubesti toa...   27 Mar 2009, 09:35 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(Artanis @ 27 Mar 2009, 09:35 PM) Pa...   27 Mar 2009, 09:40 PM
Leonardo   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 09:40 P...   4 Jun 2009, 05:57 PM
shapeshifter   ce înseamnă credinţa în creştinism?...   27 Mar 2009, 11:35 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 11:35 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:49 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTEsper că nu ai proasta...   27 Mar 2009, 11:39 PM
shapeshifter   Dă-mi exemple de creştini care au fost s...   27 Mar 2009, 11:59 PM
Cucu Mucu   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 11:59 P...   28 Mar 2009, 12:03 AM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 28 Mar 2009, 12:59 A...   29 Mar 2009, 05:02 PM
shapeshifter   nu la adresa creştinului sau creştinismu...   28 Mar 2009, 12:11 AM
shapeshifter   păi în principiu poate înţelege dar eu î...   29 Mar 2009, 05:03 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 05:33 P...   29 Mar 2009, 05:53 PM
shapeshifter   eu mă refer aici la creştin... las...   29 Mar 2009, 05:54 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 06:54 P...   29 Mar 2009, 06:15 PM
shapeshifter   da! 2 exemple: tradiţia hindusă ...   29 Mar 2009, 06:18 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 07:18 P...   29 Mar 2009, 06:43 PM
shapeshifter   Înţelegerea pur „teoretizantă” a unei id...   29 Mar 2009, 06:46 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 07:46 P...   29 Mar 2009, 07:18 PM
shapeshifter   în numele exoterismului religios indiferent care e...   29 Mar 2009, 07:23 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifter, QUOTEşi exemplu numit „cl...   29 Mar 2009, 08:02 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEIti repet cateva din minciunile musulmanilor ...   29 Mar 2009, 08:17 PM
Clopotel   Am inteles... minciunile ce le expui despre cresti...   29 Mar 2009, 08:31 PM
shapeshifter   eu nu expun minciuni, problema e că tu nu în...   29 Mar 2009, 08:33 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTE- creştinul are mereu...   29 Mar 2009, 08:44 PM
shapeshifter   Creştinul are în faţă un spaţi...   29 Mar 2009, 08:51 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTECreştinul are în fa...   29 Mar 2009, 09:18 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEAsta pentru ca din nou privesti crestinismul ...   29 Mar 2009, 09:27 PM
Clopotel   QUOTEpână una alta vezi-ţi de propriul l...   29 Mar 2009, 09:44 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 10:44 PM) O...   29 Mar 2009, 10:19 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEBanuiesc sa faci apropouri la reincarnarile d...   29 Mar 2009, 10:21 PM
Clopotel   Draga Action, QUOTEHalal liber arbitru. Nu inteleg...   29 Mar 2009, 10:38 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 11:38 PM) D...   29 Mar 2009, 10:40 PM
shapeshifter   Cele 3 aspecte ale Voinţei Divine - Mai întâi...   29 Mar 2009, 10:50 PM
Clopotel   Draga Action, QUOTEDaca eu spun "esti liber s...   29 Mar 2009, 10:50 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 11:50 PM) C...   29 Mar 2009, 11:20 PM
shapeshifter   citeşte mă creştine şi nu mai ...   29 Mar 2009, 10:55 PM
shapeshifter   libertatea omului există, ea este una relativ...   29 Mar 2009, 11:01 PM
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Mundus   Salutare dragii mei! Nu am mai intrat pe foru...   25 May 2009, 03:34 PM
andra_v   QUOTE(Mundus @ 25 May 2009, 04:34 PM) [.....   26 May 2009, 03:59 PM
shapeshifter   „Nimeni nu-l poate întâlni pe Allah dacă nu l...   29 May 2009, 12:57 AM
andra_v   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 May 2009, 01:57 A...   29 May 2009, 11:21 AM
shapeshifter   nu e gnosticism, nu mai aberaţi creştini...   1 Jun 2009, 08:39 PM
andra_v   Ba bine ca nu! "Gnosticii concepeau Sf. D...   2 Jun 2009, 08:04 AM
shapeshifter   Punctului de vedere religios îi e imposibil s...   2 Jun 2009, 03:31 PM
andra_v   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 2 Jun 2009, 04:31 PM...   3 Jun 2009, 09:51 AM
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Themis   In primul rand, bun gasit celor ce scriu pe aici s...   30 Jun 2009, 05:12 AM
shapeshifter   titlul topicului e în aşa fel formulat încât ...   30 Jun 2009, 03:22 PM
Themis   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 30 Jun 2009, 09:22 A...   1 Jul 2009, 03:59 AM
shapeshifter   http://www.qmagazine.ro/articole/437/Despr...jof-S...   9 Jul 2009, 09:53 PM
shapeshifter   RE: De Ce Mintea Creştinului Nu Poate înţelege Alte Religii   9 Jul 2009, 10:31 PM
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shapeshifter   Metaphysical Truth: Metaphysical Truth is both ex...   19 Jul 2009, 09:14 PM
shapeshifter   Mystical / Mysticism: The terms “mystical” and “m...   19 Jul 2009, 09:37 PM
shapeshifter   Path: The Path means return to the vision enjoyed...   19 Jul 2009, 09:41 PM
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shapeshifter   Intelligence is the perception of the real and not...   20 Jul 2009, 03:35 AM
shapeshifter   God is generous: When we withdraw towards the inw...   20 Jul 2009, 03:41 AM
shapeshifter   Gândul pur e identic cu Tăcerea, prin urmare ...   23 Jul 2009, 06:36 PM
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IoanV   Banuiam ca la aceste concluzii ai ajuns cind posta...   26 Jul 2009, 07:37 AM
shapeshifter   vorbeam de Lucifer nu de Satan... e clar că n...   26 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM
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shapeshifter   Manifestation is not the Principle, the effect is ...   27 Jul 2009, 01:02 AM
IoanV   QUOTEŞi pentru că tot l-ai făcut pe...   27 Jul 2009, 09:51 PM
shapeshifter   cine personifică acel principiu de individua...   27 Jul 2009, 09:55 PM
IoanV   Amice, limbajul umflat pastreaza-l pt. slujitorii ...   27 Jul 2009, 10:12 PM
shapeshifter   investivele păstreză-le pentru mai târzi...   27 Jul 2009, 10:16 PM
IoanV   QUOTEIH a fost metafizician! Nu mă crezi?...   27 Jul 2009, 10:33 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 27 Jul 2009, 11:33 PM) Nu t...   27 Jul 2009, 10:46 PM
IoanV   Nici nu ai pretentii! Pai citeste si tu Fiinta...   27 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM
shapeshifter   Măi ioane eu te întreb: o ia de-a gata sau o ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:04 PM
IoanV   La cit citesti tu in engleza ce mai conteaza una i...   27 Jul 2009, 11:06 PM
shapeshifter   ţi-am cerut nu explicaţie ci precizare.....   27 Jul 2009, 11:11 PM
IoanV   Mai shape, tu nici n-ai auzit de fenomenologie...   27 Jul 2009, 11:13 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:13 AM) Mai ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:18 PM
IoanV   Suferi de 'citatomanie"? Pai ai dovedit c...   27 Jul 2009, 11:27 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:27 AM) Sufe...   27 Jul 2009, 11:40 PM
IoanV   Ok, suntem slabi la metafizica ta, esti multumit...   27 Jul 2009, 11:50 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:50 AM) Ok, ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:54 PM
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