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Vă invit la o dezbatere despre limitele şi prejudecăţile creştinului vis-a-vis de alte religii.


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Metaphysical / Mystical:
“Metaphysical”: concerning universal realities considered objectively.
“Mystical”: concerning the same realities considered subjectively, that is, in relation to the contemplative soul, insofar as they enter operatively into contact with it.

. . . the two wisdoms, the one metaphysical and the other mystical; it would be entirely wrong to take certain mystical or unitive formulations as authority for denying the legitimacy of intellectual definitions, wrong at least for anyone who is himself outside the special state in question; for in fact it happens that certain contemplatives, speaking in the name of direct experience, reject doctrinal formulations, these having become for them “words,” which does not always prevent them from putting forward other formulations of the same order and possibly of the same value. Here we must avoid confusing the strictly intellectual or doctrinal plane, which has all the legitimacy and so all the efficacy conferred on it at its level by the nature of things, with the plane of inner experience, the plane of ontological perceptions or of mystical “perfumes” or “tastes.” It would be as wrong as to dispute the adequacy of a geographical map because one had undertaken an actual journey or, for example, to pretend that because one had travelled from North to South, the Mediterranean is situated “above” and not “below,” as shown on the map.

Metaphysical Certitude (foundation):
The foundation of metaphysical certitude is the coincidence between truth and our being; a coincidence that no ratiocination could invalidate. Contingent things are proven by factors situated within their order of contingency, whereas things deriving from the Absolute become clear by their participation in the Absolute, hence by a “superabundance of light” – according to Saint Thomas – which amounts to saying that they are proven by themselves. In other words, universal truths draw their evidence not from our contingent thought, but from our transpersonal being, which constitutes the substance of our spirit and guarantees the adequacy of intellection.

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shapeshifter   De Ce Mintea Creştinului Nu Poate înţelege Alte Religii   27 Mar 2009, 04:33 PM
actionmedia   Poate sa le inteleaga. Dar le respinge pentru ca s...   27 Mar 2009, 06:55 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(actionmedia @ 27 Mar 2009, 06:55 PM...   27 Mar 2009, 07:11 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 07:11 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:25 PM
Artanis   shapeshifter, te-ai intrebat daca nu esti chiar tu...   27 Mar 2009, 07:12 PM
shapeshifter   desigur! nu sunt! Vorbesc dintr-o perspect...   27 Mar 2009, 07:33 PM
Cucu Mucu   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 07:33 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:33 PM
Artanis   Si pe ce criterii separii religiile de "facat...   27 Mar 2009, 08:07 PM
shapeshifter   întreabă-l pe clopoţel   27 Mar 2009, 09:02 PM
Artanis   Pai eu cu tine vorbeam...tu spuneai ca iubesti toa...   27 Mar 2009, 09:35 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(Artanis @ 27 Mar 2009, 09:35 PM) Pa...   27 Mar 2009, 09:40 PM
Leonardo   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 09:40 P...   4 Jun 2009, 05:57 PM
shapeshifter   ce înseamnă credinţa în creştinism?...   27 Mar 2009, 11:35 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 11:35 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:49 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTEsper că nu ai proasta...   27 Mar 2009, 11:39 PM
shapeshifter   Dă-mi exemple de creştini care au fost s...   27 Mar 2009, 11:59 PM
Cucu Mucu   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 11:59 P...   28 Mar 2009, 12:03 AM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 28 Mar 2009, 12:59 A...   29 Mar 2009, 05:02 PM
shapeshifter   nu la adresa creştinului sau creştinismu...   28 Mar 2009, 12:11 AM
shapeshifter   păi în principiu poate înţelege dar eu î...   29 Mar 2009, 05:03 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 05:33 P...   29 Mar 2009, 05:53 PM
shapeshifter   eu mă refer aici la creştin... las...   29 Mar 2009, 05:54 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 06:54 P...   29 Mar 2009, 06:15 PM
shapeshifter   da! 2 exemple: tradiţia hindusă ...   29 Mar 2009, 06:18 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 07:18 P...   29 Mar 2009, 06:43 PM
shapeshifter   Înţelegerea pur „teoretizantă” a unei id...   29 Mar 2009, 06:46 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 07:46 P...   29 Mar 2009, 07:18 PM
shapeshifter   în numele exoterismului religios indiferent care e...   29 Mar 2009, 07:23 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifter, QUOTEşi exemplu numit „cl...   29 Mar 2009, 08:02 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEIti repet cateva din minciunile musulmanilor ...   29 Mar 2009, 08:17 PM
Clopotel   Am inteles... minciunile ce le expui despre cresti...   29 Mar 2009, 08:31 PM
shapeshifter   eu nu expun minciuni, problema e că tu nu în...   29 Mar 2009, 08:33 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTE- creştinul are mereu...   29 Mar 2009, 08:44 PM
shapeshifter   Creştinul are în faţă un spaţi...   29 Mar 2009, 08:51 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTECreştinul are în fa...   29 Mar 2009, 09:18 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEAsta pentru ca din nou privesti crestinismul ...   29 Mar 2009, 09:27 PM
Clopotel   QUOTEpână una alta vezi-ţi de propriul l...   29 Mar 2009, 09:44 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 10:44 PM) O...   29 Mar 2009, 10:19 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEBanuiesc sa faci apropouri la reincarnarile d...   29 Mar 2009, 10:21 PM
Clopotel   Draga Action, QUOTEHalal liber arbitru. Nu inteleg...   29 Mar 2009, 10:38 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 11:38 PM) D...   29 Mar 2009, 10:40 PM
shapeshifter   Cele 3 aspecte ale Voinţei Divine - Mai întâi...   29 Mar 2009, 10:50 PM
Clopotel   Draga Action, QUOTEDaca eu spun "esti liber s...   29 Mar 2009, 10:50 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 11:50 PM) C...   29 Mar 2009, 11:20 PM
shapeshifter   citeşte mă creştine şi nu mai ...   29 Mar 2009, 10:55 PM
shapeshifter   libertatea omului există, ea este una relativ...   29 Mar 2009, 11:01 PM
shapeshifter   transfigurarea cantitativului în calitativ poate d...   29 Mar 2009, 11:22 PM
Mundus   Salutare dragii mei! Nu am mai intrat pe foru...   25 May 2009, 03:34 PM
andra_v   QUOTE(Mundus @ 25 May 2009, 04:34 PM) [.....   26 May 2009, 03:59 PM
shapeshifter   „Nimeni nu-l poate întâlni pe Allah dacă nu l...   29 May 2009, 12:57 AM
andra_v   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 May 2009, 01:57 A...   29 May 2009, 11:21 AM
shapeshifter   nu e gnosticism, nu mai aberaţi creştini...   1 Jun 2009, 08:39 PM
andra_v   Ba bine ca nu! "Gnosticii concepeau Sf. D...   2 Jun 2009, 08:04 AM
shapeshifter   Punctului de vedere religios îi e imposibil s...   2 Jun 2009, 03:31 PM
andra_v   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 2 Jun 2009, 04:31 PM...   3 Jun 2009, 09:51 AM
shapeshifter   Respingerea paulină a Legii iudaice e justifi...   3 Jun 2009, 03:40 PM
jet li   De frica. Frica de iad. Etc etc Cine esti "t...   8 Jun 2009, 01:25 AM
jet li   Ignorati pls. Don't drink and post !   8 Jun 2009, 09:30 PM
ioana1   "De ce mintea crestinului nu poate intelege a...   22 Jun 2009, 07:29 AM
Themis   In primul rand, bun gasit celor ce scriu pe aici s...   30 Jun 2009, 05:12 AM
shapeshifter   titlul topicului e în aşa fel formulat încât ...   30 Jun 2009, 03:22 PM
Themis   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 30 Jun 2009, 09:22 A...   1 Jul 2009, 03:59 AM
shapeshifter   http://www.qmagazine.ro/articole/437/Despr...jof-S...   9 Jul 2009, 09:53 PM
shapeshifter   RE: De Ce Mintea Creştinului Nu Poate înţelege Alte Religii   9 Jul 2009, 10:31 PM
shapeshifter   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvvI3bIAgVA&fmt...   13 Jul 2009, 02:14 PM
shapeshifter   Gnosis / Gnosticism: It is a fact that too many a...   19 Jul 2009, 08:15 PM
shapeshifter   God: What must be understood by the term “God”? F...   19 Jul 2009, 08:24 PM
shapeshifter   Jivatma: Jivatma, the “living soul,” is the mask-i...   19 Jul 2009, 08:43 PM
shapeshifter   Metaphysical / Mystical: “Metaphysical”: concerni...   19 Jul 2009, 08:51 PM
shapeshifter   Metaphysical Truth: Metaphysical Truth is both ex...   19 Jul 2009, 09:14 PM
shapeshifter   Mystical / Mysticism: The terms “mystical” and “m...   19 Jul 2009, 09:37 PM
shapeshifter   Path: The Path means return to the vision enjoyed...   19 Jul 2009, 09:41 PM
shapeshifter   Thought: By “thought” we mean here, not an artifi...   19 Jul 2009, 10:00 PM
shapeshifter   Saint: A saint is a void open for the passage of ...   20 Jul 2009, 01:39 AM
shapeshifter   Form: Form is the manifestation of an “idea,” henc...   20 Jul 2009, 01:56 AM
shapeshifter   Jnanic Perspective: The jnanic perspective, which...   20 Jul 2009, 02:39 AM
shapeshifter   Intelligence is the perception of the real and not...   20 Jul 2009, 03:35 AM
shapeshifter   God is generous: When we withdraw towards the inw...   20 Jul 2009, 03:41 AM
shapeshifter   Gândul pur e identic cu Tăcerea, prin urmare ...   23 Jul 2009, 06:36 PM
shapeshifter   Ispita, cel Rău, Vrăjmaşul nu e dec...   24 Jul 2009, 04:42 PM
IoanV   Banuiam ca la aceste concluzii ai ajuns cind posta...   26 Jul 2009, 07:37 AM
shapeshifter   vorbeam de Lucifer nu de Satan... e clar că n...   26 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM
shapeshifter   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2386644739...   26 Jul 2009, 11:57 PM
shapeshifter   Manifestation is not the Principle, the effect is ...   27 Jul 2009, 01:02 AM
IoanV   QUOTEŞi pentru că tot l-ai făcut pe...   27 Jul 2009, 09:51 PM
shapeshifter   cine personifică acel principiu de individua...   27 Jul 2009, 09:55 PM
IoanV   Amice, limbajul umflat pastreaza-l pt. slujitorii ...   27 Jul 2009, 10:12 PM
shapeshifter   investivele păstreză-le pentru mai târzi...   27 Jul 2009, 10:16 PM
IoanV   QUOTEIH a fost metafizician! Nu mă crezi?...   27 Jul 2009, 10:33 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 27 Jul 2009, 11:33 PM) Nu t...   27 Jul 2009, 10:46 PM
IoanV   Nici nu ai pretentii! Pai citeste si tu Fiinta...   27 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM
shapeshifter   Măi ioane eu te întreb: o ia de-a gata sau o ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:04 PM
IoanV   La cit citesti tu in engleza ce mai conteaza una i...   27 Jul 2009, 11:06 PM
shapeshifter   ţi-am cerut nu explicaţie ci precizare.....   27 Jul 2009, 11:11 PM
IoanV   Mai shape, tu nici n-ai auzit de fenomenologie...   27 Jul 2009, 11:13 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:13 AM) Mai ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:18 PM
IoanV   Suferi de 'citatomanie"? Pai ai dovedit c...   27 Jul 2009, 11:27 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:27 AM) Sufe...   27 Jul 2009, 11:40 PM
IoanV   Ok, suntem slabi la metafizica ta, esti multumit...   27 Jul 2009, 11:50 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:50 AM) Ok, ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:54 PM
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