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Vă invit la o dezbatere despre limitele şi prejudecăţile creştinului vis-a-vis de alte religii.


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God:
What must be understood by the term “God”? From the strictly human point of view, which alone is what religions as such have in view, “God” could not be the Absolute as such, for the Absolute has no interlocutor; we may, however, say that God is the hypostatic Face turned towards the human world, or towards a particular human world; in other words, God is Divinity which personalizes itself in view of man and insofar as it more or less takes on the countenance of a particular humanity. Another question: what does this personalized Divinity, this God become partner or interlocutor, or this Divine Face turned towards man “want” or “desire”? The most concise answer seems to us to be the following: if the Divine Essence, being infinite, tends to manifest itself by projecting its innumerable potentialities into the finite, the Divine Face, for its part, operates this projection and then – at a more relative level – projects within this first projection a principle of coordination, among other things a Law intended to regulate the human world and above all to regulate this miniature world that is the individual. This Face is thus like a sheaf of rays with diverse functions; a Face which, although it issues from the same Divine Order, does not amount to a single subjectivity with a moral intention; thus it is vain to seek behind the infinitely diverse combinations of the veil of Maya an anthropomorphic and humanly graspable personality.
God is the Absolute, and being the Absolute, He is equally the Infinite; being both the Absolute and the Infinite, intrinsically and without duality, He is also the Perfect. Absoluteness is reflected in space by the point or the center; in time, by the movement or the present; in matter, by ether, which vehicles energy; in form, by the sphere; in number, by unity.
Infinitude, for its part, determines space by extension; time, by duration; matter, by substantial indefiniteness; form, by the limitless diversity of formal possibilities; number, by quantitative limitlessness.
As for the divine Perfection – from which all manifested perfections derive – it is reflected in space by the contents of matter inasmuch as they express either simple existence, or the divine Qualities which space vehicles.
Indeed, God is ineffable, nothing can describe Him or enclose Him in words; but on the other hand, truth exists, that is to say that there are conceptual points of reference which sufficiently convey the nature of God; otherwise our intelligence would not be human, which amounts to saying that it would not exist, or simply that it would be inoperative with respect to what constitutes the reason for man’s intelligence. God is both unknowable and knowable, a paradox which implies – on pain of absurdity – that the relationships are different, first of all on the plane of mere thought and then in virtue of everything that separates mental knowledge from that of the heart; the first is a “perceiving,” and the second a “being.” “The soul is all that it knows,” said Aristotle; it is necessary to add that the soul is able to know all that it is; and that in its essence it is none other than That which is, and That which alone is.
It is important never to lose sight of the fact that the term “God” designates the Divinity, either in all its possible aspects – hence also beyond every aspect – or in some particular aspect, notably that of the Creator. It is necessarily thus because this term cannot contain in itself a privative nuance.
It should be noted here that the word “God” does not and cannot admit of any restriction for the simple reason that God is “all that is purely principial” and that He is thus also – and a fortiori – Beyond-Being; this one may not know or may deny, but one cannot deny that God is “That which is supreme” and therefore also That which nothing can surpass.
In reality God is indeed not “existent” in the sense that He cannot be brought down to the level of the existence of things. In order to make it clear that this reservation implies no kind of privation it would be better to say that God is “non-inexistent”. When it is said that the personal God is situated in Maya, which runs the risk of sounding offensive, one must be careful to make it clear that this God is the Supreme Principle “entering” into universal Relativity, hence still “Supreme” despite the “entering,” which enables one to affirm that God the Creator and Legislator is at one and the same time Atma and Maya, or Atma in Maya, but never simply Maya. On the one hand, God is the “Other” who is infinitely “above” the world, and on the other hand, the world is His manifestation in which He is present; this implies that without this immanence the world would be reduced to nothing, and that the world – and all that it contains – is necessarily symbolical. In a certain sense, nothing resembles God; but in another sense, everything resembles Him, at least with respect to positive, not negative, manifestation. Likewise, the human subject – the ego – is as though suspended between “elevation” and “depth”: between the Divine Being which resides “in the Heavens,” and the Divine Self which resides “in the depths of the heart.” The first is the separative
dimension, that of adoration, worship, law, obedience, in short, of religion; the second is the unitive perspective, that of wisdom and union; or that of pure sanctity, which by definition is “being” and not merely “thought.”
In the three Semitic monotheistic religions, the name “God” necessarily embraces all that is proper to the Principle, with no restriction whatever, although their exoteric formulations evidently envisage the ontological aspect alone. God is the Eye that sees the world and which, being active where the creature is passive, creates the world by His vision, this vision being act and not passivity; thus the eye becomes the metaphysical center of the world of which it is at the same time the sun and the heart. God sees not only the outward, but also – or rather with all the more reason – the inward, and it is this latter vision that is the more real one, or strictly speaking, the only real one, since it is the absolute or infinite Vision of which God is at once the Subject and the Object, the Knower and the Known.

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shapeshifter   De Ce Mintea Creştinului Nu Poate înţelege Alte Religii   27 Mar 2009, 04:33 PM
actionmedia   Poate sa le inteleaga. Dar le respinge pentru ca s...   27 Mar 2009, 06:55 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(actionmedia @ 27 Mar 2009, 06:55 PM...   27 Mar 2009, 07:11 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 07:11 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:25 PM
Artanis   shapeshifter, te-ai intrebat daca nu esti chiar tu...   27 Mar 2009, 07:12 PM
shapeshifter   desigur! nu sunt! Vorbesc dintr-o perspect...   27 Mar 2009, 07:33 PM
Cucu Mucu   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 07:33 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:33 PM
Artanis   Si pe ce criterii separii religiile de "facat...   27 Mar 2009, 08:07 PM
shapeshifter   întreabă-l pe clopoţel   27 Mar 2009, 09:02 PM
Artanis   Pai eu cu tine vorbeam...tu spuneai ca iubesti toa...   27 Mar 2009, 09:35 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(Artanis @ 27 Mar 2009, 09:35 PM) Pa...   27 Mar 2009, 09:40 PM
Leonardo   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 09:40 P...   4 Jun 2009, 05:57 PM
shapeshifter   ce înseamnă credinţa în creştinism?...   27 Mar 2009, 11:35 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 11:35 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:49 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTEsper că nu ai proasta...   27 Mar 2009, 11:39 PM
shapeshifter   Dă-mi exemple de creştini care au fost s...   27 Mar 2009, 11:59 PM
Cucu Mucu   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 11:59 P...   28 Mar 2009, 12:03 AM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 28 Mar 2009, 12:59 A...   29 Mar 2009, 05:02 PM
shapeshifter   nu la adresa creştinului sau creştinismu...   28 Mar 2009, 12:11 AM
shapeshifter   păi în principiu poate înţelege dar eu î...   29 Mar 2009, 05:03 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 05:33 P...   29 Mar 2009, 05:53 PM
shapeshifter   eu mă refer aici la creştin... las...   29 Mar 2009, 05:54 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 06:54 P...   29 Mar 2009, 06:15 PM
shapeshifter   da! 2 exemple: tradiţia hindusă ...   29 Mar 2009, 06:18 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 07:18 P...   29 Mar 2009, 06:43 PM
shapeshifter   Înţelegerea pur „teoretizantă” a unei id...   29 Mar 2009, 06:46 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 07:46 P...   29 Mar 2009, 07:18 PM
shapeshifter   în numele exoterismului religios indiferent care e...   29 Mar 2009, 07:23 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifter, QUOTEşi exemplu numit „cl...   29 Mar 2009, 08:02 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEIti repet cateva din minciunile musulmanilor ...   29 Mar 2009, 08:17 PM
Clopotel   Am inteles... minciunile ce le expui despre cresti...   29 Mar 2009, 08:31 PM
shapeshifter   eu nu expun minciuni, problema e că tu nu în...   29 Mar 2009, 08:33 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTE- creştinul are mereu...   29 Mar 2009, 08:44 PM
shapeshifter   Creştinul are în faţă un spaţi...   29 Mar 2009, 08:51 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTECreştinul are în fa...   29 Mar 2009, 09:18 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEAsta pentru ca din nou privesti crestinismul ...   29 Mar 2009, 09:27 PM
Clopotel   QUOTEpână una alta vezi-ţi de propriul l...   29 Mar 2009, 09:44 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 10:44 PM) O...   29 Mar 2009, 10:19 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEBanuiesc sa faci apropouri la reincarnarile d...   29 Mar 2009, 10:21 PM
Clopotel   Draga Action, QUOTEHalal liber arbitru. Nu inteleg...   29 Mar 2009, 10:38 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 11:38 PM) D...   29 Mar 2009, 10:40 PM
shapeshifter   Cele 3 aspecte ale Voinţei Divine - Mai întâi...   29 Mar 2009, 10:50 PM
Clopotel   Draga Action, QUOTEDaca eu spun "esti liber s...   29 Mar 2009, 10:50 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 11:50 PM) C...   29 Mar 2009, 11:20 PM
shapeshifter   citeşte mă creştine şi nu mai ...   29 Mar 2009, 10:55 PM
shapeshifter   libertatea omului există, ea este una relativ...   29 Mar 2009, 11:01 PM
shapeshifter   transfigurarea cantitativului în calitativ poate d...   29 Mar 2009, 11:22 PM
Mundus   Salutare dragii mei! Nu am mai intrat pe foru...   25 May 2009, 03:34 PM
andra_v   QUOTE(Mundus @ 25 May 2009, 04:34 PM) [.....   26 May 2009, 03:59 PM
shapeshifter   „Nimeni nu-l poate întâlni pe Allah dacă nu l...   29 May 2009, 12:57 AM
andra_v   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 May 2009, 01:57 A...   29 May 2009, 11:21 AM
shapeshifter   nu e gnosticism, nu mai aberaţi creştini...   1 Jun 2009, 08:39 PM
andra_v   Ba bine ca nu! "Gnosticii concepeau Sf. D...   2 Jun 2009, 08:04 AM
shapeshifter   Punctului de vedere religios îi e imposibil s...   2 Jun 2009, 03:31 PM
andra_v   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 2 Jun 2009, 04:31 PM...   3 Jun 2009, 09:51 AM
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jet li   De frica. Frica de iad. Etc etc Cine esti "t...   8 Jun 2009, 01:25 AM
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Themis   In primul rand, bun gasit celor ce scriu pe aici s...   30 Jun 2009, 05:12 AM
shapeshifter   titlul topicului e în aşa fel formulat încât ...   30 Jun 2009, 03:22 PM
Themis   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 30 Jun 2009, 09:22 A...   1 Jul 2009, 03:59 AM
shapeshifter   http://www.qmagazine.ro/articole/437/Despr...jof-S...   9 Jul 2009, 09:53 PM
shapeshifter   RE: De Ce Mintea Creştinului Nu Poate înţelege Alte Religii   9 Jul 2009, 10:31 PM
shapeshifter   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvvI3bIAgVA&fmt...   13 Jul 2009, 02:14 PM
shapeshifter   Gnosis / Gnosticism: It is a fact that too many a...   19 Jul 2009, 08:15 PM
shapeshifter   God: What must be understood by the term “God”? F...   19 Jul 2009, 08:24 PM
shapeshifter   Jivatma: Jivatma, the “living soul,” is the mask-i...   19 Jul 2009, 08:43 PM
shapeshifter   Metaphysical / Mystical: “Metaphysical”: concerni...   19 Jul 2009, 08:51 PM
shapeshifter   Metaphysical Truth: Metaphysical Truth is both ex...   19 Jul 2009, 09:14 PM
shapeshifter   Mystical / Mysticism: The terms “mystical” and “m...   19 Jul 2009, 09:37 PM
shapeshifter   Path: The Path means return to the vision enjoyed...   19 Jul 2009, 09:41 PM
shapeshifter   Thought: By “thought” we mean here, not an artifi...   19 Jul 2009, 10:00 PM
shapeshifter   Saint: A saint is a void open for the passage of ...   20 Jul 2009, 01:39 AM
shapeshifter   Form: Form is the manifestation of an “idea,” henc...   20 Jul 2009, 01:56 AM
shapeshifter   Jnanic Perspective: The jnanic perspective, which...   20 Jul 2009, 02:39 AM
shapeshifter   Intelligence is the perception of the real and not...   20 Jul 2009, 03:35 AM
shapeshifter   God is generous: When we withdraw towards the inw...   20 Jul 2009, 03:41 AM
shapeshifter   Gândul pur e identic cu Tăcerea, prin urmare ...   23 Jul 2009, 06:36 PM
shapeshifter   Ispita, cel Rău, Vrăjmaşul nu e dec...   24 Jul 2009, 04:42 PM
IoanV   Banuiam ca la aceste concluzii ai ajuns cind posta...   26 Jul 2009, 07:37 AM
shapeshifter   vorbeam de Lucifer nu de Satan... e clar că n...   26 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM
shapeshifter   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2386644739...   26 Jul 2009, 11:57 PM
shapeshifter   Manifestation is not the Principle, the effect is ...   27 Jul 2009, 01:02 AM
IoanV   QUOTEŞi pentru că tot l-ai făcut pe...   27 Jul 2009, 09:51 PM
shapeshifter   cine personifică acel principiu de individua...   27 Jul 2009, 09:55 PM
IoanV   Amice, limbajul umflat pastreaza-l pt. slujitorii ...   27 Jul 2009, 10:12 PM
shapeshifter   investivele păstreză-le pentru mai târzi...   27 Jul 2009, 10:16 PM
IoanV   QUOTEIH a fost metafizician! Nu mă crezi?...   27 Jul 2009, 10:33 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 27 Jul 2009, 11:33 PM) Nu t...   27 Jul 2009, 10:46 PM
IoanV   Nici nu ai pretentii! Pai citeste si tu Fiinta...   27 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM
shapeshifter   Măi ioane eu te întreb: o ia de-a gata sau o ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:04 PM
IoanV   La cit citesti tu in engleza ce mai conteaza una i...   27 Jul 2009, 11:06 PM
shapeshifter   ţi-am cerut nu explicaţie ci precizare.....   27 Jul 2009, 11:11 PM
IoanV   Mai shape, tu nici n-ai auzit de fenomenologie...   27 Jul 2009, 11:13 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:13 AM) Mai ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:18 PM
IoanV   Suferi de 'citatomanie"? Pai ai dovedit c...   27 Jul 2009, 11:27 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:27 AM) Sufe...   27 Jul 2009, 11:40 PM
IoanV   Ok, suntem slabi la metafizica ta, esti multumit...   27 Jul 2009, 11:50 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:50 AM) Ok, ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:54 PM
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