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Vă invit la o dezbatere despre limitele şi prejudecăţile creştinului vis-a-vis de alte religii.


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Gnosis / Gnosticism:
It is a fact that too many authors – we would almost say: general opinion – attribute to gnosis what is proper to Gnosticism and to other counterfeits of the sophia perennis, and moreover make no distinction between the latter and the most freakish movements, such as spiritualism, theosophism and the pseudo-esoterisms that saw the light of day in the twentieth century. It is particularly regrettable that these confusions are taken seriously by most theologians, who obviously have an interest in
entertaining the worst opinion possible concerning gnosis; now the fact that an imposture necessarily imitates a good, since otherwise it could not even exist, does not authorize charging this good with all the sins of the imitation.
In reality, gnosis is essentially the path of the intellect and hence of intellection; the driving force of this path is above all intelligence, and not will and sentiment as is the case in the Semitic monotheistic mysticisms, including average Sufism. Gnosis is characterized by its recourse to pure metaphysics: the distinction between Atma and Maya and the consciousness of the potential identity between the human subject, jivatma, and the Divine Subject, Paramatma. The path comprises on the one hand “comprehension,” and on the other “concentration”: hence doctrine and method. The modalities of the latter are quite diverse: in particular, there is on the one hand the mantra, the evocative and transforming formula, and on the other hand, the yantra, the visual symbol. The path is the passage from potentiality to virtuality, and from virtuality to actuality, its summit being the state of the one “delivered in this life,” the jivan-mukta.
As for Gnosticism, whether it arises in a Christian, Moslem or other climate, it is a fabric of more or less disordered speculations, often of Manichean origin; and it is a mythomania characterized by a dangerous mixture of exoteric and esoteric concepts. Doubtless it contains symbolisms that are not without interest – the contrary would be astonishing – but it is said that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”; it could just as well be said that it is paved with symbolisms.
Gnosis is the way of the intellect. We say “gnosis” and not “Gnosticism,” for the latter is most often a heterodox mythological dogmatism, whereas intrinsic gnosis is not other than what the Hindus mean by jnana and Advaita-Vedanta. To claim that all gnosis is false because of Gnosticism, amounts to saying, by analogy, that all prophets are false because there are false prophets . . . In common opinion gnosis equals “intellectual pride,” as if this were not a contradiction in terms, pure intelligence coinciding precisely with objectivity, which by definition excludes all subjectivism, hence especially pride which is its least intelligent and coarsest form.

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shapeshifter   De Ce Mintea Creştinului Nu Poate înţelege Alte Religii   27 Mar 2009, 04:33 PM
actionmedia   Poate sa le inteleaga. Dar le respinge pentru ca s...   27 Mar 2009, 06:55 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(actionmedia @ 27 Mar 2009, 06:55 PM...   27 Mar 2009, 07:11 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 07:11 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:25 PM
Artanis   shapeshifter, te-ai intrebat daca nu esti chiar tu...   27 Mar 2009, 07:12 PM
shapeshifter   desigur! nu sunt! Vorbesc dintr-o perspect...   27 Mar 2009, 07:33 PM
Cucu Mucu   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 07:33 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:33 PM
Artanis   Si pe ce criterii separii religiile de "facat...   27 Mar 2009, 08:07 PM
shapeshifter   întreabă-l pe clopoţel   27 Mar 2009, 09:02 PM
Artanis   Pai eu cu tine vorbeam...tu spuneai ca iubesti toa...   27 Mar 2009, 09:35 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(Artanis @ 27 Mar 2009, 09:35 PM) Pa...   27 Mar 2009, 09:40 PM
Leonardo   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 09:40 P...   4 Jun 2009, 05:57 PM
shapeshifter   ce înseamnă credinţa în creştinism?...   27 Mar 2009, 11:35 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 11:35 P...   27 Mar 2009, 11:49 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTEsper că nu ai proasta...   27 Mar 2009, 11:39 PM
shapeshifter   Dă-mi exemple de creştini care au fost s...   27 Mar 2009, 11:59 PM
Cucu Mucu   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 11:59 P...   28 Mar 2009, 12:03 AM
actionmedia   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 28 Mar 2009, 12:59 A...   29 Mar 2009, 05:02 PM
shapeshifter   nu la adresa creştinului sau creştinismu...   28 Mar 2009, 12:11 AM
shapeshifter   păi în principiu poate înţelege dar eu î...   29 Mar 2009, 05:03 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 27 Mar 2009, 05:33 P...   29 Mar 2009, 05:53 PM
shapeshifter   eu mă refer aici la creştin... las...   29 Mar 2009, 05:54 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 06:54 P...   29 Mar 2009, 06:15 PM
shapeshifter   da! 2 exemple: tradiţia hindusă ...   29 Mar 2009, 06:18 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 07:18 P...   29 Mar 2009, 06:43 PM
shapeshifter   Înţelegerea pur „teoretizantă” a unei id...   29 Mar 2009, 06:46 PM
marduk   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 Mar 2009, 07:46 P...   29 Mar 2009, 07:18 PM
shapeshifter   în numele exoterismului religios indiferent care e...   29 Mar 2009, 07:23 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifter, QUOTEşi exemplu numit „cl...   29 Mar 2009, 08:02 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEIti repet cateva din minciunile musulmanilor ...   29 Mar 2009, 08:17 PM
Clopotel   Am inteles... minciunile ce le expui despre cresti...   29 Mar 2009, 08:31 PM
shapeshifter   eu nu expun minciuni, problema e că tu nu în...   29 Mar 2009, 08:33 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTE- creştinul are mereu...   29 Mar 2009, 08:44 PM
shapeshifter   Creştinul are în faţă un spaţi...   29 Mar 2009, 08:51 PM
Clopotel   Draga Shapeshifer, QUOTECreştinul are în fa...   29 Mar 2009, 09:18 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEAsta pentru ca din nou privesti crestinismul ...   29 Mar 2009, 09:27 PM
Clopotel   QUOTEpână una alta vezi-ţi de propriul l...   29 Mar 2009, 09:44 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 10:44 PM) O...   29 Mar 2009, 10:19 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTEBanuiesc sa faci apropouri la reincarnarile d...   29 Mar 2009, 10:21 PM
Clopotel   Draga Action, QUOTEHalal liber arbitru. Nu inteleg...   29 Mar 2009, 10:38 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 11:38 PM) D...   29 Mar 2009, 10:40 PM
shapeshifter   Cele 3 aspecte ale Voinţei Divine - Mai întâi...   29 Mar 2009, 10:50 PM
Clopotel   Draga Action, QUOTEDaca eu spun "esti liber s...   29 Mar 2009, 10:50 PM
actionmedia   QUOTE(Clopotel @ 29 Mar 2009, 11:50 PM) C...   29 Mar 2009, 11:20 PM
shapeshifter   citeşte mă creştine şi nu mai ...   29 Mar 2009, 10:55 PM
shapeshifter   libertatea omului există, ea este una relativ...   29 Mar 2009, 11:01 PM
shapeshifter   transfigurarea cantitativului în calitativ poate d...   29 Mar 2009, 11:22 PM
Mundus   Salutare dragii mei! Nu am mai intrat pe foru...   25 May 2009, 03:34 PM
andra_v   QUOTE(Mundus @ 25 May 2009, 04:34 PM) [.....   26 May 2009, 03:59 PM
shapeshifter   „Nimeni nu-l poate întâlni pe Allah dacă nu l...   29 May 2009, 12:57 AM
andra_v   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 29 May 2009, 01:57 A...   29 May 2009, 11:21 AM
shapeshifter   nu e gnosticism, nu mai aberaţi creştini...   1 Jun 2009, 08:39 PM
andra_v   Ba bine ca nu! "Gnosticii concepeau Sf. D...   2 Jun 2009, 08:04 AM
shapeshifter   Punctului de vedere religios îi e imposibil s...   2 Jun 2009, 03:31 PM
andra_v   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 2 Jun 2009, 04:31 PM...   3 Jun 2009, 09:51 AM
shapeshifter   Respingerea paulină a Legii iudaice e justifi...   3 Jun 2009, 03:40 PM
jet li   De frica. Frica de iad. Etc etc Cine esti "t...   8 Jun 2009, 01:25 AM
jet li   Ignorati pls. Don't drink and post !   8 Jun 2009, 09:30 PM
ioana1   "De ce mintea crestinului nu poate intelege a...   22 Jun 2009, 07:29 AM
Themis   In primul rand, bun gasit celor ce scriu pe aici s...   30 Jun 2009, 05:12 AM
shapeshifter   titlul topicului e în aşa fel formulat încât ...   30 Jun 2009, 03:22 PM
Themis   QUOTE(shapeshifter @ 30 Jun 2009, 09:22 A...   1 Jul 2009, 03:59 AM
shapeshifter   http://www.qmagazine.ro/articole/437/Despr...jof-S...   9 Jul 2009, 09:53 PM
shapeshifter   RE: De Ce Mintea Creştinului Nu Poate înţelege Alte Religii   9 Jul 2009, 10:31 PM
shapeshifter   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvvI3bIAgVA&fmt...   13 Jul 2009, 02:14 PM
shapeshifter   Gnosis / Gnosticism: It is a fact that too many a...   19 Jul 2009, 08:15 PM
shapeshifter   God: What must be understood by the term “God”? F...   19 Jul 2009, 08:24 PM
shapeshifter   Jivatma: Jivatma, the “living soul,” is the mask-i...   19 Jul 2009, 08:43 PM
shapeshifter   Metaphysical / Mystical: “Metaphysical”: concerni...   19 Jul 2009, 08:51 PM
shapeshifter   Metaphysical Truth: Metaphysical Truth is both ex...   19 Jul 2009, 09:14 PM
shapeshifter   Mystical / Mysticism: The terms “mystical” and “m...   19 Jul 2009, 09:37 PM
shapeshifter   Path: The Path means return to the vision enjoyed...   19 Jul 2009, 09:41 PM
shapeshifter   Thought: By “thought” we mean here, not an artifi...   19 Jul 2009, 10:00 PM
shapeshifter   Saint: A saint is a void open for the passage of ...   20 Jul 2009, 01:39 AM
shapeshifter   Form: Form is the manifestation of an “idea,” henc...   20 Jul 2009, 01:56 AM
shapeshifter   Jnanic Perspective: The jnanic perspective, which...   20 Jul 2009, 02:39 AM
shapeshifter   Intelligence is the perception of the real and not...   20 Jul 2009, 03:35 AM
shapeshifter   God is generous: When we withdraw towards the inw...   20 Jul 2009, 03:41 AM
shapeshifter   Gândul pur e identic cu Tăcerea, prin urmare ...   23 Jul 2009, 06:36 PM
shapeshifter   Ispita, cel Rău, Vrăjmaşul nu e dec...   24 Jul 2009, 04:42 PM
IoanV   Banuiam ca la aceste concluzii ai ajuns cind posta...   26 Jul 2009, 07:37 AM
shapeshifter   vorbeam de Lucifer nu de Satan... e clar că n...   26 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM
shapeshifter   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2386644739...   26 Jul 2009, 11:57 PM
shapeshifter   Manifestation is not the Principle, the effect is ...   27 Jul 2009, 01:02 AM
IoanV   QUOTEŞi pentru că tot l-ai făcut pe...   27 Jul 2009, 09:51 PM
shapeshifter   cine personifică acel principiu de individua...   27 Jul 2009, 09:55 PM
IoanV   Amice, limbajul umflat pastreaza-l pt. slujitorii ...   27 Jul 2009, 10:12 PM
shapeshifter   investivele păstreză-le pentru mai târzi...   27 Jul 2009, 10:16 PM
IoanV   QUOTEIH a fost metafizician! Nu mă crezi?...   27 Jul 2009, 10:33 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 27 Jul 2009, 11:33 PM) Nu t...   27 Jul 2009, 10:46 PM
IoanV   Nici nu ai pretentii! Pai citeste si tu Fiinta...   27 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM
shapeshifter   Măi ioane eu te întreb: o ia de-a gata sau o ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:04 PM
IoanV   La cit citesti tu in engleza ce mai conteaza una i...   27 Jul 2009, 11:06 PM
shapeshifter   ţi-am cerut nu explicaţie ci precizare.....   27 Jul 2009, 11:11 PM
IoanV   Mai shape, tu nici n-ai auzit de fenomenologie...   27 Jul 2009, 11:13 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:13 AM) Mai ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:18 PM
IoanV   Suferi de 'citatomanie"? Pai ai dovedit c...   27 Jul 2009, 11:27 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:27 AM) Sufe...   27 Jul 2009, 11:40 PM
IoanV   Ok, suntem slabi la metafizica ta, esti multumit...   27 Jul 2009, 11:50 PM
shapeshifter   QUOTE(IoanV @ 28 Jul 2009, 12:50 AM) Ok, ...   27 Jul 2009, 11:54 PM
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