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 3 Jun 2006, 02:01 PM
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Shapeshifter zice:
Era vorba despre coerenţă.. Acest tip de coerenţă este ,,space-time invariant".. coerenţa de acest tip die la nivelul unui sistem implică corelaţie cvasi-instantanee īntre părţile sistemului, corelaţie care la rāndu-i implică conectivitate la nivel de sistem care la rāndu-i implică prezenţa unui CĀMP DE INTERCONECTARE.. Acest topic a fost editat de Amenhotep: 3 Jun 2006, 03:41 PM -------------------- Trebuie să facem ceea ce credem că e bine, dar nu trebuie să credem că ceea ce facem e bine.
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28 Jun 2006, 06:07 AM
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Bullshit-man, ca sa ma exprim īn ton cu moda . . . e mai mult decat cretin sa faci ratzii īntre fortele electrice si gravitationale, caci o forta e mai mare sau mai mica functie de parametrii, variabilele care intra in expresia sa. Poti, īn schimb, si la asta se refera incultul autor din care citeaza copios amicul shape, sa faci ratii de constante universale care intra īn expresiile care definesc fortele fundamentale. Insa atunci tot ce-a spus shape, e bullshit puturos, caci constatare e ca acestea nu sunt constante cum credeam. Intregul joc de potriviri cu māna sau cu rizaca, īntre cifre fabuloase cautate rocambolesc prin fizica de amatorii de pitagoreicism, apare īn adevarata lui lumina, ca fenomen patologic de neluat īn seama . . . NEBUN sa fi sa stai la discutii cu logoreici amatori de "chiromantzie fizica" . . . Amenhotep, Catalin, reveniti-va baieti! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/...60609122206.htm Source: Swedish Research Council, Posted: June 9, 2006 Variable Physical Laws Physical quantities such as the speed of light, the gravitational constant and the electron mass are believed to be the same independent of where and when they appear in the universe. Therefore, they are known as constants of nature. Should they deviate from their actual values the universe would have looked different and neither man nor other living organisms would have existed. But imagine that the fundamental constants and thereby also the fundamental laws are not at all constant but have gradually changed over time. Implications that this is the case have been known for some time and are now supported by new measurements for instance from Lund University, Sweden. The constants are so fundamental that it is usually impossible to detect any possible changes since the tools we use to measure these changes are also changing. For instance, if the size of the atoms would increase the atoms in the measuring device would also increase to the same extent and everything would appear normal. But there are dimensionless constants, i.e. they are independent of units. On April 21 this year new findings were published in Physical Review Letters implying that a dimensionless constant - the ratio between the electron mass and the proton mass - has changed with time. And shortly measurements will be presented in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society showing that another dimensionless constant, called the fine structure constant, is also varying with time. The measurements have been performed at Lund Observatory in Sweden by professor Sveneric Johansson and his PhD student Maria Aldenius in collaboration with Dr Michael Murphy, Cambridge, UK. The fine structure constant is a combination of the speed of light, the electron charge, Planck's constant and the vacuum permittivity. It characterizes the electromagnetic force that keeps the atom together. To study the time variation of this constant the aged light from distant quasars - extremely powerful and bright objects billions of light years away - has been compared with modern laboratory data. When the quasar's light passes through intervening gas clouds an absorption spectrum is formed - a continuous spectrum with dark absorption lines. These dark lines form characteristic signatures of the chemical elements present in the clouds. Studies of systematic shifts in the line positions compared to laboratory spectra indicate changes in the fine structure constant. Previous measurements of this type have been based on lighter elements like magnesium, silicon and aluminum, says Sveneric Johansson. But it was difficult to make any clear conclusions from that study. In 1999 an Australian research group led by John K Webb suggested that the number of elements investigated should be increased. In Lund we were asked to help with new laboratory measurements and we increased the accuracy further by doing all measurements simultaneously from the same laboratory source. Now we have included magnesium and the heavier elements iron, titanium, chromium and manganese in our measurements. The result is that the uncertainty of the ruler is lowered by a factor of ten. But the picture from previous measurements of the fine structure constant seems not to have changed. The changes of both the proton/electron mass ratio and the fine structure constant are very tiny. The fine structure constant has changed by some parts per million during six billions years. There is no reason to worry - unless you are a physicist or astronomer and don't want to change the model of the universe we have today. But Sveneric Johansson thinks that the results are more exciting than troublesome. Our view of the universe is in many ways not complete, he says. The content of 90% of the matter in universe is unknown - the so called "dark matter". And there are contradictory opinions about what happened after the Big Bang. Therefore, we should welcome all new knowledge even if it does not agree with our present conception of the world. Acest topic a fost editat de Octavi: 28 Jun 2006, 06:21 AM |
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Amenhotep Corelaţii, Coerenţă, Cauzalitate şi Conectivitate 3 Jun 2006, 02:01 PM
Amenhotep QUOTE Era vorba despre coerenţă... Acest... 3 Jun 2006, 02:03 PM shapeshifter QUOTE Nu există mai multe tipuri de coeren... 4 Jun 2006, 12:45 PM shapeshifter Coerenţa la nivel macroscară: Fenomenul ... 4 Jun 2006, 01:10 PM Catalin QUOTE
O STARE SINCRONIZATĂ CVASI-INSTANTANEU... 4 Jun 2006, 06:25 PM IoanV Corelatiile cuantice au o natura inca necunoscuta,... 6 Jun 2006, 12:01 PM shapeshifter http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/tgdbooks.... 6 Jun 2006, 02:04 PM Catalin QUOTE
Corelatiile cuantice au o natura inca necun... 7 Jun 2006, 01:47 PM shapeshifter cam cum au sugerat şi făcut alţii d... 7 Jun 2006, 03:25 PM Amenhotep QUOTE Corelatiile cuantice au o natura inca necuno... 7 Jun 2006, 03:50 PM shapeshifter QUOTE Păi... natura a orice lucru/fenomen est... 7 Jun 2006, 04:04 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (shapeshifter @ 7 Jun 2006, 05:04 PM) aceste... 7 Jun 2006, 04:31 PM shapeshifter QUOTE Nu este adevărat că punctul de ve... 7 Jun 2006, 04:41 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (shapeshifter @ 7 Jun 2006, 04:25 PM)Se... 7 Jun 2006, 05:22 PM shapeshifter pui problema greşit.. particulele au propriet... 7 Jun 2006, 05:41 PM IoanV QUOTE Apropo, cam cum ai proceda tu daca ai vrea s... 7 Jun 2006, 05:48 PM shapeshifter QUOTE Filozofic e imposibil sa studiezi ceva necun... 7 Jun 2006, 05:53 PM Catalin QUOTE
Se iau 2 particule aflate īn aşa numit... 7 Jun 2006, 08:49 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (shapeshifter @ 7 Jun 2006, 06:41 PM)Pa... 8 Jun 2006, 10:44 AM shapeshifter QUOTE Asta-i o prostie. Sistemul de coordonate poa... 8 Jun 2006, 11:33 AM Amenhotep QUOTE (shapeshifter @ 8 Jun 2006, 12:33 PM) cum s... 8 Jun 2006, 11:48 AM shapeshifter QUOTE Aparatul de măsurare este un sistem fi... 8 Jun 2006, 12:12 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (shapeshifter @ 8 Jun 2006, 01:12 PM)Ap... 8 Jun 2006, 01:20 PM shapeshifter nici pe tine nu te va ajuta respingerea nonlocalit... 8 Jun 2006, 01:37 PM shapeshifter [EDITAT. Off topic.]
,, How the brain functions [... 8 Jun 2006, 04:03 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (shapeshifter @ 8 Jun 2006, 02:37 PM)ni... 8 Jun 2006, 06:12 PM shapeshifter nu mai am nimic de spus atīta timp cīt editezi cum... 8 Jun 2006, 06:46 PM Catalin Shape, daca respinge cineva musterii, acela esti t... 8 Jun 2006, 09:13 PM shapeshifter bine uite un romānaş care lucrează cu Ah... 8 Jun 2006, 09:27 PM IoanV QUOTE (Amenhotep)Lucrānd cu această interpret... 8 Jun 2006, 09:54 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (IoanV @ 8 Jun 2006, 10:54 PM)Prin ce m... 9 Jun 2006, 12:47 AM Catalin Amenhotep, problema, din cate stiu eu, era alta: a... 9 Jun 2006, 06:05 AM IoanV Amenhotep,
daca explicatia ar fi asa simpla cum s... 9 Jun 2006, 08:39 AM Amenhotep QUOTE (IoanV @ 9 Jun 2006, 09:39 AM)daca expl... 9 Jun 2006, 12:11 PM Catalin Mda, in fine, se pare ca noi doi am inteles diferi... 9 Jun 2006, 12:32 PM IoanV Credeam ca vreti sa discutati despre corelatiile c... 9 Jun 2006, 05:20 PM shapeshifter teoriile realismului local precum chaotic ball nu ... 9 Jun 2006, 06:08 PM Catalin Shape, degeaba scrii cu caps concluziile, nu sunt ... 9 Jun 2006, 09:40 PM shapeshifter QUOTE coerenţa de acest tip die la nivelul un... 11 Jun 2006, 01:15 PM shapeshifter īn continuare shapeshifter īi va pune pe butuci te... 11 Jun 2006, 02:53 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (IoanV @ 9 Jun 2006, 06:20 PM)Credeam c... 11 Jun 2006, 03:15 PM shapeshifter amenhotep:
QUOTE Ceea ce afirmi aici contrazice f... 11 Jun 2006, 03:30 PM shapeshifter Uită-te aici dragul meu amenhotep..
Quantita... 11 Jun 2006, 04:43 PM Catalin Si presupun ca ideea era ca intre articolele astea... 11 Jun 2006, 06:31 PM IoanV Amenhotep,
cum poti spune ca corelatiile sunt toa... 11 Jun 2006, 08:26 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (IoanV @ 11 Jun 2006, 09:26 PM)cum poti... 11 Jun 2006, 11:01 PM Catalin QUOTE
Eu am tot cerut să-mi arate cineva dif... 11 Jun 2006, 11:25 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (shapeshifter @ 11 Jun 2006, 02:15 PM)1... 11 Jun 2006, 11:59 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (Catalin @ 12 Jun 2006, 12:25 AM)Amenho... 12 Jun 2006, 01:29 AM Amenhotep Ca să lămurim odată bālciul cu non-... 12 Jun 2006, 01:38 AM Catalin QUOTE
Păi da, dar nu de către Shapeshif... 12 Jun 2006, 07:59 AM IoanV QUOTE IoanV (care īmi pare că a căzut ī... 12 Jun 2006, 08:42 AM Amenhotep Aşadar, să recapitulăm. Raţion... 12 Jun 2006, 11:08 AM shapeshifter QUOTE Corelaţia cvasi-instantanee (cvasi-... ... 12 Jun 2006, 01:02 PM shapeshifter Paradoxul EPR NU ESTE similar corelaţiilor di... 13 Jun 2006, 03:50 PM Amenhotep QUOTE (shapeshifter @ 12 Jun 2006, 02:02 PM) acele... 13 Jun 2006, 05:37 PM shapeshifter QUOTE Tocmai de aceea greşeşte cine afir... 13 Jun 2006, 06:29 PM shapeshifter http://www22.pair.com/csdc/car/carhomep.htm 18 Jun 2006, 03:14 PM shapeshifter [EDITAT (Off topic, fără subiect, f... 28 Jun 2006, 04:06 PM Octavi Imi place de tine shape, cānd īncetezi sa torni ab... 28 Jun 2006, 04:16 PM shapeshifter greşeşti man modelul ciclic tinde s... 28 Jun 2006, 04:17 PM Octavi QUOTE greşeşti man modelul ciclic tinde ... 28 Jun 2006, 05:07 PM shapeshifter QUOTE e mai mult decat cretin sa faci ratzii īntr... 28 Jun 2006, 06:29 PM Amenhotep Vă rog să reveniţi on topic.
a 28 Jun 2006, 07:20 PM Octavi QUOTE e mai mult decat cretin sa faci ratzii īntr... 28 Jun 2006, 11:49 PM Amenhotep Vă invit să deschideţi un nou topic... 29 Jun 2006, 10:35 AM shapeshifter http://news.softpedia.com/news/Casimir-Eff...ple-8... 5 Jun 2008, 01:38 PM
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