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mesaj 3 Mar 2005, 12:41 PM
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Nu e nevoie ca petrolul sa se termine cu totul pentru ca un om sa nu-si mai permita sa faca un drum cu masina, fabricile de orice fel sa nu-si mai permita sa produca, si toata economia unei tari dezvoltate sa nu mai functioneze. Consumul depaseste deja productia, preturile vor continua sa creasca, iar resurse noi de petrol nu se mai gasesc, e mai scump pentru o companie petroliera sa caute resurse noi decat sa nu caute,asta pentru ca ce descopera va fi oricum putin
Ce solutii sunt la problema asta ?
Link http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/


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According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, more than 25,000 people die of starvation every day, and more than 800 million people are chronically undernourished. On average, a child dies every five seconds from starvation.
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In 2005, easily extracted oil from the oilfields peaked. From now on, the flow will be at a reduced rate, eventually running dry. Oil extracted from the more difficult oilfields, requiring more technology and consequently more expense, is expected to peak in four years, according to some experts in the United Kingdom. Since the global demand for oil exceeds supply, oil prices are going to continue rising.

In the US, there is growing awareness that the country should not depend on foreign oil from unstable regions like the Middle East. More importantly investors have realized there is profit to be made by converting corn into ethanol which can be used as motor fuel.

As more and more ethanol production distilleries come on line, 30 percent of the US corn harvest next year will go into ethanol production.

The US is the world's biggest grain producer and exporter. Almost 70 percent of all the grain imported by many nations around the world comes from the US.


Fermieri si firme in intreaga lume se apuca sa cultive culturi pentru combustibili "ecologici". Tot ce ii intereseaza e profitul, in unele tari sunt si subventii pentru astfel de culturi, si astfel fermierului nu ii pasa cat e de eficienta transformarea porumbului in etanol cata vreme obtine profit. In acest timp se cultiva mai putine alimente cea ce le creste pretul. In Mexic de exemplu pretul fainii s-a dublat. Rezultatul : mai putina mancare pentru cei care nu si-o permit, vedeti primul citat


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Despre depozitele de "tar sands" din Canada :
http://www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?relid=21397
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''And they have to tear up four tonnes of landscape, all for one barrel of oil,'' Gore said in the latest issue of Rolling Stone.

''It is truly nuts. But you know, junkies find veins in their toes. It seems reasonable, to them, because they've lost sight of the rest of their lives.''

Alberta Premier Ralph Klein retaliated, saying: ''I don't know what he proposes the world run on, maybe hot air.''


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mesaj 16 Aug 2007, 11:28 AM
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http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editoria.../2007/0815.html
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For example, the top five net exporters, in 2006 (Saudi Arabia, Russia, Norway, Iran and the UAE), consumed about 25% of their total liquids production. Offsetting this, many of the top exporters, based on our mathematical models, are at fairly advanced stages of depletion, especially the top three (Saudi Arabia, Russia and Norway), which showed a combined 3.8% decline in net oil exports from 2005 to 2006 (EIA, Total Liquids).

Exporturile de petrol vor ajunge la 0 in 9 ani conform articolului de mai sus. Anume pentru ca tarile care exporta petrol consuma si ele o parte, in prezent 25% din petrolul produs e consumat acolo unde se produce. Cand nu vor mai avea , deoarece productia scade, vor pastra tot pentru ei, asta inclusiv Arabia si Rusia.
De exemplu Anglia a devenit din exportator importator in numai 6 ani dupa ce productia din Marea Nordului a inceput sa scada.

In asemenea conditii noi dam unor straini petrolul sa ni-l vanda inapoi, in loc sa il pastram. Strategie : adunam tot petrolul posibil si inventam rapid o noua organizare a societatii. Destul de utopic. USA deja a inceput prima faza cu adunatul petrolului.

De fapt presupun si sper ca si cei care ne conduc vad asemenea stiri ca cea de mai sus. Insa solutii care sa nu ne schimbe radical modul de viata, nu am nici o idee care ar fi


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mesaj 31 Aug 2007, 12:30 AM
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Despre petrol si agricultura :
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/02/0079915
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Plato wrote of his country's farmlands:

What now remains of the formerly rich land is like the skeleton of a sick man. . . . Formerly, many of the mountains were arable. The plains that were full of rich soil are now marshes. Hills that were once covered with forests and produced abundant pasture now produce only food for bees. Once the land was enriched by yearly rains, which were not lost, as they are now, by flowing from the bare land into the sea. The soil was deep, it absorbed and kept the water in loamy soil, and the water that soaked into the hills fed springs and running streams everywhere. Now the abandoned shrines at spots where formerly there were springs attest that our description of the land is true.

Plato's lament is rooted in wheat agriculture, which depleted his country's soil and subsequently caused the series of declines that pushed centers of civilization to Rome, Turkey, and western Europe. By the fifth century, though, wheat's strategy of depleting and moving on ran up against the Atlantic Ocean. Fenced-in wheat agriculture is like rice agriculture. It balances its equations with famine. In the millennium between 500 and 1500, Britain suffered a major “corrective” famine about every ten years; there were seventy-five in France during the same period. The incidence, however, dropped sharply when colonization brought an influx of new food to Europe.

The new lands had an even greater effect on the colonists themselves. Thomas Jefferson, after enduring a lecture on the rustic nature by his hosts at a dinner party in Paris, pointed out that all of the Americans present were a good head taller than all of the French. Indeed, colonists in all of the neo-Europes enjoyed greater stature and longevity, as well as a lower infant-mortality rate—all indicators of the better nutrition afforded by the onetime spend down of the accumulated capital of virgin soil.

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Walk from the prairie to the field, and you probably will step down about six feet, as if the land had been stolen from beneath you. Settlers' accounts of the prairie conquest mention a sound, a series of pops, like pistol shots, the sound of stout grass roots breaking before a moldboard plow. A robbery was in progress.

When we say the soil is rich, it is not a metaphor. It is as rich in energy as an oil well. A prairie converts that energy to flowers and roots and stems, which in turn pass back into the ground as dead organic matter. The layers of topsoil build up into a rich repository of energy, a bank. A farm field appropriates that energy, puts it into seeds we can eat. Much of the energy moves from the earth to the rings of fat around our necks and waists. And much of the energy is simply wasted, a trail of dollars billowing from the burglar's satchel.

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QUOTE(jet li @ 31 Aug 2007, 12:30 AM) *
Despre petrol si agricultura :
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/02/0079915
Scriu singur pe aici, chiar asa de neinteresante sunt toate astea ? smile.gif


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jet li   Economia Bazata Pe Petrol   3 Mar 2005, 12:41 PM
cociuba   se cauta deja solutii (energie solara and stuff) o...   3 Mar 2005, 12:59 PM
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jet li   Chiar daca ar mai fi petrol pentru 100 ani, cu eco...   3 Mar 2005, 01:49 PM
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jet li   Etanolul nu e o solutie. Pentru plantat, arat , in...   20 Nov 2007, 02:03 AM
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