Stiinta Si Mistica, puncte comune, diferente, cum poti fi reconciliate.... Optiuni

[gypsyhart]

Pentru ca discutiile de la topicul cu Homeopatia se avantau oarecum in sfere mai generale, m-am gandit ca ar fi util un topic in care sa fie puse fata in fata Stiinta si Mistica, adica doua abordari care la prima vedere privesc in directii total opuse: stiinta la lumea exterioara, la natura, dar nu numai, mistica la lumea interioara, si intr-un sens mai profund la Dumnezeu.

Ce ne poate oferi fiecare din aceste abordari, si in ce masura poti fi ele aduse "la aceeasi masa"?

[andra_v]

Extraordinar! Fiinta, unitate, armonie, perfectiune, valoare, sens, scop etc. Nici una dintre aceste notiuni nu poate fi inteleasa fara a ridica gandul in zona mistico-teologica. Este atat de greu de inteles ca nu te poti urca cu mintea la conceptul de hormon fara notiunea de armonie (in intelesul ei originar, mistic)? Eu am venit cu cateva exemple pentru a ilustra (daca mai era nevoie, desi este atat de evident, am impresia ca stau sa le explic unor persoane ca sau de ce 1+1 = 2!) ca orice concept stiintific are la baza un sens mai profund, sacru. Oricare, ia dictionarul etimologic, sau un dictionar de fizica. Eu m-am lamurit cu Dex-ul in mana cand toceam in scoala.

[abis]

Este atat de greu de inteles ca nu te poti urca cu mintea la conceptul de hormon fara notiunea de armonie (in intelesul ei originar, mistic)?

Da, e greu. Uite, eu nu pot intelege si pace care e legatura dintre hormon si mistica.
Poate imi explici...

Inaintea mortii sale Albert Einstein a incercat sa descopere si sa formuleze o Teorie a Totului, care sa uneasca cele patru forte majore existente, recunoscand ca nu este posibila o abordare stiintifica fara a recurge la o inteligenta superioara care guverneaza Universul

Adica? Ce anume a spus, exact, Einstein de ai ajuns la concluzia asta? Din cate am citit eu nu era tocmai un mistic...

Acest topic a fost editat de abis: 16 Mar 2011, 11:40 PM

[little1]

Fa, e greu. Uite, eu nu pot intelege si pace care e legatura dintre hormon si mistica.
Poate imi explici...

Abis, cu tot respectul, incep din ce in ce mai mult sa cred ca esti si tu un formator de opinie si atat.
Pentru ceilalti, intrebarea lui e buna:

Tryptophan for Meditation and Health

Tryptophan is a component of protein-rich foods. Nutritional supplements such as whey protein isolate are good precursors of the amino acid. As an added benefit, whey protein boosts immune function, protects against free radical damage, and boosts cellular glutathione levels.

The three bioactive proteins: the thermobiles - serus albumin, alpha lactalbumin and lactoferrin. As shown from the meditation research on spirit molecules below, alpha lactalbumin increases the following neurotransmitters and amino acid tryptophan ® serotonin ® melatonin ® pinoline ® 5-MeO-DMT (5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine) ® DMT (dimethyltryptamine).

Chemistry of Consciousness & Re-Awakening of Spirit Molecules

Complete darkness profoundly changes the sensory sensibilities of the brain. The body is deprived of all visual reference. Sounds begin to fall away as we lose contact with the external world and turn the senses inward. The effect of darkness is to shut down major cortical centers in the brain, depressing mental and cognitive functions in the higher brain centers. Emotional and feeling states are enhanced, especially the sense of smell and finer senses of psychic perception. Dreams become more lucid, and the dream state manifests in our conscious awareness. Eventually, we awaken within ourselves the awareness of the Source, the spirit, the soul. We descend into the void, into the darkness of deep, inner space. The light appears.

The dark room environment dramatically alters the chemistry of the brain, manifesting especially in neuro-endocrine systems which govern consciousness and regulate body functions. An important neurotransmitter involved in waking consciousness (serotonin) converts into a regulatory hormone (melatonin) that shuts down the organ systems, quieting the body in preparation for the finer and subtler realities of higher consciousness. The pineal gland initiates a cascade of inhibitory reactions, permitting visions and dream states to emerge in our conscious awareness. Eventually, the brain synthesizes the "spirit molecules" 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT) and dimethyltryptamine (DMT), facilitating the transcendental experiences of universal love and compassion.

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The spirit molecules are synthesized from the amino acid tryptophan in a series of biochemical steps, which simplified are: tryptophan ® serotonin ® melatonin ® pinoline ® 5-MeO-DMT ® DMT. The spirit molecules enable the nourishment and sustenance of the soul, sought daily in deep sleep and dream.

The direct experience of consciousness is often discordant with the necessities of physical existence on Earth. Thus, in waking consciousness (actually waking ignorance), the body inhibits 5-MeO-DMT and DMT synthesis by producing the compound MAO to deactivate the serotonin -- DMT pathway. To maintain its connection to the soul, however, the body must periodically inhibit the action of monoamine oxidase (MAO), allowing for DMT synthesis and a return to the Source. This is accomplished by enzyme inhibitors, such as harmine and harmaline, which are secreted by the pineal gland in response to circadian rhythms and the darkness of night. The pineal gland also produces the hormone melatonin, which helps regulate circadian rhythms in the body.

Daylight is the cue that inhibits our essential connection to the Source, but facilitates physical survival on Earth. The Dark Room experience relaxes this constraint, by inhibiting the inhibitor, thereby activating the consciousness connection; for example, the pineal secretion of harmaline inhibits MAO, itself an inhibitor, allowing synthesis of 5-MeO-DMT and DMT. Thus, in the Dark Room, our biochemical connections to the Source are re-established. The Dark Room facilitates the synthesis and accumulation of the spirit molecules (5-MeO-DMT and DMT) in the brain, and hence the experience of our true nature, of love and compassion energy, and our reconnection with the Divine Tao (Wu Chi).

Bioactive Whey Protein is the best and safe source to sustain tryptophan levels in the body's cells.

Undenatured whey protein is a natural extract of milk - a safe, dependable and effective way to sustain elevated tryptophan levels.

Tryptophan (Psychoneurobiology)

Whey protein supplements may help you cope better with stress.1

Increased brain serotonin levels improve the ability to cope with stress, while a decline in serotonin activity is associated with depression. Tryptophan is the amino acid that increases serotonin levels in the brain. Its transportation into the brain is dependent on other amino acids with a neutral charge. This influences tryptophan exchange via the ratio of tryptophan to the sum of other large neutral amino acids. A diet high in proteins that have high amounts of tryptophan may theoretically increase brain serotonin levels.

Twenty-nine (29) highly stress-vulnerable subjects and 29 other subjects participated in a double blind, placebo controlled study where all subjects were exposed to various experimental stresses after the intake of a whey protein (lactalbumin) or a casein supplement. Changes in mood, skin conductance, cortisol levels and plasma tryptophan/amino acid ratios were all assessed before and after the stress tests.

The researchers chose to assess whey�s lactabumin protein fraction as it possesses one of the highest concentrations of tryptophan of any known protein. The scientists were interested to see if a protein supplement could induce favorable brain serotonin levels.

Results showed while the casein supplement produced little effect, the whey protein supplement increased the plasma tryptophan/amino acid ratio by 48%. In the stress vulnerable subjects the whey protein decreased cortisol levels and reduced depressive feelings and improved their ability to cope with the tasks presented. The scientists suggested the results obtained could only mean the whey protein supplement was able to increase brain serotonin levels.

The bovine protein alpha-lactalbumin increases the plasma ratio of tryptophan to the other large neutral amino acids, and in vulnerable subjects raises brain serotonin activity, reduces cortisol concentration, and improves mood under stress.

BACKGROUND: Increased brain serotonin may improve the ability to cope with stress, whereas a decline in serotonin activity is involved in depressive mood. The uptake of the serotonin precursor, tryptophan, into the brain is dependent on nutrients that influence the cerebral availability of tryptophan via a change in the ratio of plasma tryptophan to the sum of the other large neutral amino acids (Trp-LNAA ratio). Therefore, a diet-induced increase in tryptophan availability may increase brain serotonin synthesis and improve coping and mood, particularly in stress-vulnerable subjects.

OBJECTIVE: We tested whether alpha-lactalbumin, a whey protein with a high tryptophan content, may increase the plasma Trp-LNAA ratio and reduce depressive mood and cortisol concentrations in stress-vulnerable subjects under acute stress.

DESIGN: Twenty-nine highly stress-vulnerable subjects and 29 relatively stress-invulnerable subjects participated in a double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Subjects were exposed to experimental stress after the intake of a diet enriched with either alpha-lactalbumin or sodium-caseinate. Diet-induced changes in the plasma Trp-LNAA ratio and prolactin were measured. Changes in mood, pulse rate, skin conductance, and cortisol concentrations were assessed before and after the stressor.

RESULTS: The plasma Trp-LNAA ratio was 48% higher after the alpha-lactalbumin diet than after the casein diet (P = 0.0001). In stress-vulnerable subjects this was accompanied by higher prolactin concentrations (P = 0.001), a decrease in cortisol (P = 0.036), and reduced depressive feelings (P = 0.007) under stress.

CONCLUSIONS: Consumption of a dietary protein enriched in tryptophan increased the plasma Trp-LNAA ratio and, in stress-vulnerable subjects, improved coping ability, probably through alterations in brain serotonin.

Am J Clin Nutr 2000 Jun;71(6):1536-44

Therefore, a massive amount of evidence suggests that low serotonin levels are a common consequence of modern living. High levels of cortisol, a hormone produced by the adrenal glands in response to stress, and loss of sensitivity to insulin, which can be caused by eating too many foods high in simple sugars, are two of the biggest culprits, because they impair conversion of tryptophan to 5-HTP. In short, the lifestyle and dietary practices of many people living in this stress-filled era result in lowered levels of serotonin within the brain. Consequently many people are overweight, crave sugar and other carbohydrates, experience bouts of depression, get frequent headaches, and have vague muscle aches and pain. All of these have been helped by raising serotonin levels with glutathione supplement.

What does this mean to you?

Although the word stress has many different meanings it does appear that serotonin levels in the brain influence mood and ability to cope with potentially stressful situations. A protein supplement that is high in alpha lactalbumin such as bioactive undenatured whey protein isolate has a natural ability to increase brain serotonin levels that produce beneficial effects in every day situations.

Increasing serotonin in the body has been proven to be essential in the treatment of disease. Antidepressants and other medications deplete the body and brain of serotonin.

Sorry Gypsy, n-am vreme insa de tradus... totusi m-am gandit la tine cand am cautat-o.
Cel mai probabil informatia asta va ricosa de cele mai multe frunti.