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> Rudolf Hess, predictiile unui nebun ???
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Walter Richard Rudolf Hess, to be more accurate:



Al treilea personaj important in ierarhia hitlerista, singurul mason din ea.
Acum cateva zile am ascultat la o prezentare in care s-a spus ca Hess ar fi declarat in timpul procesului de la Nurnberg, cum ca intregul razboi mondial (ww1+ww2) a fost pus la cale de forte extraterestre ce urmareau un anumit scop. Prezentarea era lacunara, iar pe net gasesc variante in care se speculeaza ca cele mai multe din declaratiile lui Hess au ramas clasificate.

Intreg comportamentul lui Hess, contradictoriu si ambiguu, lasa loc multor interpretari.
Sigur ca varianta de a il declara nebun era cea mai convenabila si tocmai de aceea eu ma indoiesc de autenticitatea ei.
Motivele care au facut ca Hess sa nu fie niciodata eliberat (imi pare ca singurul in aceasta situatie) sunt iarasi temeiuri care alimenteaza o anumita teorie.

Nebunii nu prea fac puscarie...sfarsec prin azile de cele mai multe ori.
Nici nu sunt tinuti in izolare, discursul lor fiind socotit lipsit de credibilitate.

So, stie cineva mai mult despre acest caz ??..doriti sa comentam ??

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Among the individuals brought in to interrogate him was naval intelligence officer Ian Fleming who suggested that noted occultist Aleister Crowley be allowed to interview Hess regarding the more esoteric aspects of his mission. The higher ranking officials in charge of the case would not permit it however. Within a few days of Hessâ?? arrival in Scotland, Hitlerâ??s Riech Minister, Joseph Gobbels, issued “an order against occultism, clairvoyancy, etc.” on May 15, 1941, writing in his diary, “This obscure rubbish will now be eliminated once and for all. The miracle men, Hess’ darlings, will now be put under lock and key. “

Interestingly, Winston Churchill, the main proponent for Britain continuing the war against Germany, was himself a member of more than one esoteric fraternity, having been initiated to the Freemasons in the degree of Entered Apprentice at Londons Studholme Lodge in 1901. He later advanced through the Fellow Craft degree to the rank of Master Mason in March 1902 at Rosemary
Lodge. By August 1908 Churchill had been initiated in the Albion Lodge of the Ancient Order of Druids in a ceremony which took place at Blenheim Palace, his family estate.

According to physicians assigned to evaluate his mental condition Hess reportedly stated that his flight came about as the result of having received spiritual messages from the gods revealing that he was the chosen one ordained to bring about a new era of world peace. Diagnosed as being mentally unstable, having a psychopathic personality, and suffering from hysterical amnesia, Hess was spared the death penalty in his post-war trial at Nuremburg, receiving a life sentence and confined at Spandau Prison. There he would remain for the next 41 years until his death in 1987 at the age of ninety-three, the prisons sole inmate.

The contents of the Black Book of Loughcrew were photographed by the S.S. in the years prior to its return and placed on microfilm which was later recovered by U.S. troops in the summer of 1945 following the fall of the Third Reich. This microfilm copy was turned over to the U.S. Office of Strategic Services and is currently in the possession of the Central Intelligence Agency. The materials confiscated from Hess by British military intelligence shortly after his arrival in Scotland in May 1941 were kept in a sealed file which was supposed to remain unopened until 2017, but when the seal was broken in 1991-92, it was found that the contents of the file had already been removed and were missing. Given the seemingly incredible history of this single volume of Celtic mystical literature, it is remarkable that it survived at all.

The Lebor Feasa Runda, or "Book of Secret Knowledge" may be counted among a very select group of religious documents which claim to have been divinely revealed to humanity through supernatural means. Never intended for general circulation, this rarely seen scripture is an exposition of the Druidic faith, long held in secret and never before published in its entirety, although fragments of its text have appeared in numerous other manuscripts over the centuries in varying degrees of similarity to the versions presented in this scripture. The history, legends, myths, religious doctrine, philosophical concepts, and magical teachings contained in this work represent the most comprehensive and authentic collection of ancient Celtic beliefs and practices known to date.


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The Dude   Rudolf Hess   11 Dec 2010, 02:17 PM
The Dude   Interesant imi pare si momentul in care survin une...   12 Dec 2010, 09:14 AM
Marduk   Nu stiam ca Hess a avut legaturi cu masoneria sau ...   12 Dec 2010, 09:50 AM
The Dude   Sigur ca nazismul a avut parti bune...era un curen...   12 Dec 2010, 11:09 AM
exergy33   QUOTE(The Dude @ 12 Dec 2010, 01:09 PM) ...   13 Dec 2010, 04:29 PM
Marduk   QUOTE(The Dude @ 12 Dec 2010, 11:09 AM) Q...   12 Dec 2010, 11:45 AM
March   QUOTE(The Dude @ 11 Dec 2010, 04:17 PM) W...   12 Dec 2010, 11:49 AM
The Dude   QUOTE(March @ 12 Dec 2010, 12:49 PM) Al t...   12 Dec 2010, 08:09 PM
Cla   Dupa câte stiu, Hess a sters-o în Anglia. Dar nu t...   12 Dec 2010, 12:46 PM
March   QUOTE(Cla @ 12 Dec 2010, 02:46 PM) Dupa c...   12 Dec 2010, 01:02 PM
Rovaniemi   QUOTE(Cla @ 12 Dec 2010, 12:46 PM) Dar nu...   12 Dec 2010, 03:16 PM
Marduk   Ce nu ati auzit de familia Rothschild si multi alt...   12 Dec 2010, 04:08 PM
Rovaniemi   Una la mînă, familia rotschild nu era america...   12 Dec 2010, 04:53 PM
Marduk   QUOTE(Rovaniemi @ 12 Dec 2010, 04:53 PM) ...   12 Dec 2010, 05:08 PM
Rovaniemi   QUOTE(Marduk @ 12 Dec 2010, 05:08 PM) cin...   12 Dec 2010, 07:06 PM
The Dude   Nu, nu discutam de afirmatia colaterala a lui Cla....   12 Dec 2010, 07:58 PM
Rovaniemi   Dacă vii și omori în stilul ăsta di...   12 Dec 2010, 09:10 PM
The Dude   QUOTECount me out of this ... ...un mare castig p...   13 Dec 2010, 08:25 AM
Marduk   QUOTE(The Dude @ 12 Dec 2010, 07:58 PM) D...   13 Dec 2010, 09:43 AM
The Dude   QUOTE(Marduk @ 13 Dec 2010, 10:43 AM) mul...   13 Dec 2010, 11:27 AM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 12:27 PM) F...   13 Dec 2010, 11:41 AM
The Dude   QUOTE(turbo trabant @ 13 Dec 2010, 12:41 ...   13 Dec 2010, 12:27 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 01:27 PM) M...   13 Dec 2010, 12:33 PM
The Dude   Nu Marduk...nu vorbim aici de ezoterismul Ordinulu...   13 Dec 2010, 10:15 AM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 11:15 AM) H...   13 Dec 2010, 10:47 AM
little1   Poate c-ar trebui sa insiri aici cateva din specul...   13 Dec 2010, 10:39 AM
The Dude   ...sigur ca totul se leaga..in unele minti...acolo...   13 Dec 2010, 11:12 AM
little1   http://ironsky.net/ mm?   13 Dec 2010, 02:03 PM
Cla   @ March, Rovaniemi: Prof. A. Sutton - Wall Street ...   13 Dec 2010, 02:22 PM
The Dude   Varză tt-ule, adica asa cum ar veni in banii ...   13 Dec 2010, 03:14 PM
March   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 05:14 PM) I...   13 Dec 2010, 04:42 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 04:14 PM) e...   13 Dec 2010, 05:02 PM
The Dude   TT, las-o cum a cazut...Admit ca subiectul ar pute...   14 Dec 2010, 02:55 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 14 Dec 2010, 03:55 PM) H...   14 Dec 2010, 06:12 PM
The Dude   QUOTEA few months later Hess became Hitler's p...   14 Dec 2010, 03:04 PM
The Dude   QUOTEThe Thule Gesellschaft was founded in 1919 by...   14 Dec 2010, 03:17 PM
The Dude   QUOTEThe Legacy of Rudolf Hess Mark Weber On the...   14 Dec 2010, 03:20 PM
The Dude   QUOTENothing better points up the essential injust...   14 Dec 2010, 03:28 PM
kumarbi   oficial, Hess a stat in puscarie pana la capatul s...   14 Dec 2010, 03:56 PM
The Dude   ...sau si-a facut niste socoteli. Asadar, pana la ...   15 Dec 2010, 09:08 AM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 15 Dec 2010, 10:08 AM) A...   15 Dec 2010, 01:42 PM
The Dude   Intr-o alta varianta la fel de fantezista, se suge...   15 Dec 2010, 09:56 AM
little1   QUOTE(The Dude @ 15 Dec 2010, 11:56 AM) I...   15 Dec 2010, 12:02 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(little1 @ 15 Dec 2010, 01:02 PM) .....   15 Dec 2010, 01:15 PM
exergy33   QUOTE(The Dude @ 15 Dec 2010, 11:56 AM) I...   15 Dec 2010, 12:59 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(exergy33 @ 15 Dec 2010, 01:59 PM) M...   15 Dec 2010, 02:01 PM
cocosel   Rudolf Hess este un personaj cu adevarat controver...   15 Dec 2010, 06:03 PM
little1   QUOTE(cocosel @ 15 Dec 2010, 08:03 PM) Ru...   15 Dec 2010, 11:31 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(cocosel @ 15 Dec 2010, 07:03 PM) Ac...   16 Dec 2010, 09:01 AM
cocosel   QUOTECoco, nu fi nashpa...daca o iei asa atlantii ...   16 Dec 2010, 06:32 PM
March   QUOTE(cocosel @ 16 Dec 2010, 08:32 PM) Ai...   16 Dec 2010, 06:58 PM
cocosel   QUOTE(March @ 16 Dec 2010, 06:58 PM) @ Co...   16 Dec 2010, 07:35 PM
March   QUOTE(cocosel @ 16 Dec 2010, 09:35 PM) Ma...   16 Dec 2010, 07:39 PM
little1   QUOTE(The Dude @ 16 Dec 2010, 11:01 AM) L...   16 Dec 2010, 10:59 PM
The Dude   QUOTENu cumva invazia a avut deja loc ???. Nu am ...   15 Dec 2010, 10:05 AM
Marduk   QUOTE(The Dude @ 15 Dec 2010, 09:08 AM) ....   15 Dec 2010, 10:33 AM
Blakut   1. Ce cauta topicul asta la dincolo de ratiune? Er...   17 Dec 2010, 12:41 AM
The Dude   Blackut, citeste topicul mai inainte sa faci remar...   17 Dec 2010, 11:23 AM
little1   QUOTE...poate pentru tine. Observatii care au cat ...   17 Dec 2010, 01:04 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(little1 @ 17 Dec 2010, 02:04 PM) Me...   18 Dec 2010, 06:37 PM
The Dude   QUOTEAsa ca Dude erai mai inspirat daca incepeam d...   17 Dec 2010, 11:33 AM
March   Alo ! Chibitii ! Lasa-ti omu' sa-si ex...   17 Dec 2010, 12:29 PM
The Dude   ...chiar si asa Hess nu lasa multe alte posibilita...   19 Dec 2010, 03:00 PM
The Dude   Urmeaza un serial in mai multe episoade despre dat...   19 Dec 2010, 03:03 PM
The Dude   QUOTEMulti istorici incearca sa raspunda la intreb...   19 Dec 2010, 03:05 PM
The Dude   QUOTEIn 1990, colonelul Igor Frelin din KGB a facu...   19 Dec 2010, 03:08 PM
The Dude   QUOTEIpoteza "dublurii" Doi cercetator...   19 Dec 2010, 03:11 PM
Marduk   Ok, desi am decis sa nu deranjez acest topic cu pa...   19 Dec 2010, 05:51 PM
The Dude   Marduk, welcome aboard Hai sa o spun altfel. Ma...   20 Dec 2010, 09:26 AM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 20 Dec 2010, 10:26 AM) U...   20 Dec 2010, 05:49 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(turbo trabant @ 20 Dec 2010, 06:49 ...   21 Dec 2010, 12:16 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 21 Dec 2010, 01:16 PM) ....   21 Dec 2010, 12:28 PM
Blakut   QUOTEUn scenariu posibil este sa declansez un conf...   20 Dec 2010, 05:23 PM
March   Unde-i ingropat Hess ? Cine sunt urmasii lui ?   21 Dec 2010, 12:19 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(March @ 21 Dec 2010, 01:19 PM) Unde...   28 Dec 2010, 09:46 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(March @ 21 Dec 2010, 01:19 PM) Unde...   29 Dec 2010, 03:19 PM
Marduk   QUOTE(turbo trabant @ 20 Dec 2010, 05:49 ...   21 Dec 2010, 01:35 PM
Marduk   QUOTE(The Dude @ 20 Dec 2010, 09:26 AM) C...   21 Dec 2010, 01:51 PM
The Dude   QUOTE...daca tu spui, nu pot decat sa ma inclin re...   22 Dec 2010, 10:28 AM
The Dude   Daaaa, stiu cum suna...nu e nevoie de interventii ...   22 Dec 2010, 12:39 PM
The Dude   Acum declaratiile lui Hess: "I said before ...   28 Dec 2010, 09:43 PM
The Dude   "A Tunisian medical orderly, Abdallah Melaouh...   28 Dec 2010, 09:49 PM
The Dude   ...pentru cei care au nimerit in mijlocul topiculu...   28 Dec 2010, 09:55 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 28 Dec 2010, 10:55 PM) I...   29 Dec 2010, 11:27 AM
The Dude   QUOTE(turbo trabant @ 29 Dec 2010, 12:27 ...   29 Dec 2010, 03:07 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 29 Dec 2010, 04:07 PM) c...   29 Dec 2010, 03:23 PM
The Dude   Richard Arnold-Baker (un aristocrat german pe nume...   28 Dec 2010, 09:58 PM
little1   edit: change of heart   28 Dec 2010, 11:48 PM
The Dude   ...very clever ...exista o lista lunga de aparate ...   29 Dec 2010, 03:29 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 29 Dec 2010, 04:29 PM) ....   29 Dec 2010, 03:34 PM
The Dude   ...dupa cum exista o sumedenie de termeni pentru c...   29 Dec 2010, 03:43 PM
The Dude   Rudolf Hess a fost diagnosticat oficial ca “hypoch...   29 Dec 2010, 05:32 PM
The Dude   "If our readers have ever read anything on ch...   29 Dec 2010, 05:40 PM
The Dude   "As if these events were not already incredib...   29 Dec 2010, 05:55 PM
The Dude   ..cu mentiunea ca Peterson era un apropiat al duce...   29 Dec 2010, 06:10 PM
The Dude   "This would seem to contradict the commonly h...   29 Dec 2010, 06:16 PM
The Dude   ....paralela dintre fuga lui Hess si cea a formato...   29 Dec 2010, 06:27 PM
The Dude   "It is unclear beyond this point as to what b...   29 Dec 2010, 06:33 PM
The Dude   "The fact that the Lebor Feasa Runda (Book of...   29 Dec 2010, 06:39 PM
The Dude   Among the individuals brought in to interrogate hi...   29 Dec 2010, 06:45 PM
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