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> Rudolf Hess, predictiile unui nebun ???
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mesaj 11 Dec 2010, 02:17 PM
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Walter Richard Rudolf Hess, to be more accurate:



Al treilea personaj important in ierarhia hitlerista, singurul mason din ea.
Acum cateva zile am ascultat la o prezentare in care s-a spus ca Hess ar fi declarat in timpul procesului de la Nurnberg, cum ca intregul razboi mondial (ww1+ww2) a fost pus la cale de forte extraterestre ce urmareau un anumit scop. Prezentarea era lacunara, iar pe net gasesc variante in care se speculeaza ca cele mai multe din declaratiile lui Hess au ramas clasificate.

Intreg comportamentul lui Hess, contradictoriu si ambiguu, lasa loc multor interpretari.
Sigur ca varianta de a il declara nebun era cea mai convenabila si tocmai de aceea eu ma indoiesc de autenticitatea ei.
Motivele care au facut ca Hess sa nu fie niciodata eliberat (imi pare ca singurul in aceasta situatie) sunt iarasi temeiuri care alimenteaza o anumita teorie.

Nebunii nu prea fac puscarie...sfarsec prin azile de cele mai multe ori.
Nici nu sunt tinuti in izolare, discursul lor fiind socotit lipsit de credibilitate.

So, stie cineva mai mult despre acest caz ??..doriti sa comentam ??

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Sigur ca nazismul a avut parti bune...era un curent social-democrat, ce naiba.
Sigur ca era mason. Era unul declarat. Drumul lui spre Scotia este o inititiva masonica. Incerca o abordare prin Ordin...latura lui fraterna.
Ce ma intriga pe mine intre lucrurile aflate recent este modul in care a fost tratat comparativ cu declaratiile lui "aberante".

Este singurul pastrat in puscarie si singurul caruia nu i se puteau imputa multe dintre atrocitatile comise de nazisti..pentru ca era evident ca nu participase la ele.

Încercarea lui aparent bizară de a negocia pacea şi încarcerarea pe viaţă care a rezultat, au dat naştere la diverse teorii privind motivaţia sa de a zbura spre Scoţia, precum şi teorii ale conspiraţiei privind faptul că a rămas singurul închis la Spandau, mult timp după ce toţi ceilalţi deţinuţi fuseseră eliberaţi. Se dispută de asemenea cauza morţii sale

"De ce a fost izolat Hess de către englezi şi ţinut ascuns ??"

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QUOTE(The Dude @ 12 Dec 2010, 01:09 PM) *
"De ce a fost izolat Hess de către englezi şi ţinut ascuns ??"

Nu cred ca pot da un raspuns clar la aceasta intrebare, in schimb iti pot spune ca Churchill a cerut secretizarea pe timp de cincizeci de ani a informatiilor privitoare la "interventia unor forte extraterestre" in cel de-al doilea razboi mondial pe motiv ca acest gen de informatii ar fi indus panica in randul populatiei.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Winston-Churchil...&id=4817512

Cert e ca obiecte zburatoare ciudate si-au facut aparitia pe cer in acea perioada, fara insa sa intervina intre combatanti. Fiecare parte implicata in conflict credea ca respectivele obiecte/avioane apartin 'dusmanului'.

Revin la Hess.
Dau acest link (are o fotografie cu el si Hitler) pentru ca, in ciuda fanteziilor textului respectiv, am gasit unele idei ce se merita rumegate in liniste.
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At the close of World War I in 1919, under the terms of the Versailles Treaty, Germany was allowed to keep only 100,000 men in the army and 15,000 in the navy. They were not permitted to have submarines or military aircraft. This situation remained basically stable for the next 14 years until Hitler came to power in 1933 and then, in March of 1935, instituted conscription and renewed military training in open violation of the treaty.

To achieve the extravagantly ambitious goal of world conquest, Germany would need a bright new army of young, ruthless, efficient, well-trained storm troopers numbering in the millions. In 1933 that seemed like an impossible dream, since the army then consisted mainly of 100,000 aging, dispirited veterans of WWI, and some raw recruits. It seemed especially hopeless in view of the depressed economic conditions in Germany at that time.

Yet, in September of the very next year, six months before conscription began, at the Nuremberg Nazi Rally of 1934, 160,000 stalwart German soldiers with backpacks and rifles stood silently at attention in precise ranks as Hitler, Heinrich Himmler and SA chief Viktor Lutze walked down the wide center aisle towards flaming columns bordering a gigantic wreath honoring German soldiers killed in battle.

This fantastic scene was captured in the now famous documentary, Triumph of the Will by legendary film photographer Leni Riefen-stahl.

Where did those 160,000 perfect young soldiers come from?

In October of 1935, Hitler supplied the answer to that riddle when he made public that he had kept 21 infantry divisions "under wraps" in 1934, and he announced that they would now become the core of the new German army - the Wehrmacht.

So that's where the 160,000 came from, but where did the 21 divisions come from?

Lucrurile se leaga in mod straniu. Profesorul Haushofer, cel ce l-a ghidat din umbra pe Hitler, a fost la universitate profesorul lui Hess.

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Consequently, Haushofer emerged with an illustrious war record, and became well-known throughout Germany.

It was only very reluctantly that Haushofer agreed to attend the treason trial of a rabble-rousing, brawling street politician named Adolf Hitler in 1923. He finally consented, after much persuasion by a student at the University, Rudolph Hess. Disinterested at first, by the time Hitler delivered his final oration in court, Haushofer, like Eckhart, was convinced that he had found the savior of the German people that he had been seeking.

Haushofer subsequently visited Hitler frequently in his plush cell at the Landsberg Fortress with books and papers under his arm, and helped him to write what became the bible of the Nazi movement, Mein Kampf, virtually dictating long passages. Haushofer’s domination of the entire philosophical basis of the Nazi movement was solidified when he founded the “Luminous Lodge” or Vril Society in Berlin in the 20s.

This eventually became the “inner circle” of the Thule Society, and reportedly attracted members from other occult movements in Europe, as well as from Tibet, Japan, India, Kashmir, Turkey and Ceylon.

Documentare despre Rudolf Hess ... nu le-am vizionat, asa ca nu-mi pot spune parerea smile.gif .

http://www.iwatchdocumentaries.com/people/0381523/


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The Dude   Rudolf Hess   11 Dec 2010, 02:17 PM
The Dude   Interesant imi pare si momentul in care survin une...   12 Dec 2010, 09:14 AM
Marduk   Nu stiam ca Hess a avut legaturi cu masoneria sau ...   12 Dec 2010, 09:50 AM
The Dude   Sigur ca nazismul a avut parti bune...era un curen...   12 Dec 2010, 11:09 AM
exergy33   QUOTE(The Dude @ 12 Dec 2010, 01:09 PM) ...   13 Dec 2010, 04:29 PM
Marduk   QUOTE(The Dude @ 12 Dec 2010, 11:09 AM) Q...   12 Dec 2010, 11:45 AM
March   QUOTE(The Dude @ 11 Dec 2010, 04:17 PM) W...   12 Dec 2010, 11:49 AM
The Dude   QUOTE(March @ 12 Dec 2010, 12:49 PM) Al t...   12 Dec 2010, 08:09 PM
Cla   Dupa câte stiu, Hess a sters-o în Anglia. Dar nu t...   12 Dec 2010, 12:46 PM
March   QUOTE(Cla @ 12 Dec 2010, 02:46 PM) Dupa c...   12 Dec 2010, 01:02 PM
Rovaniemi   QUOTE(Cla @ 12 Dec 2010, 12:46 PM) Dar nu...   12 Dec 2010, 03:16 PM
Marduk   Ce nu ati auzit de familia Rothschild si multi alt...   12 Dec 2010, 04:08 PM
Rovaniemi   Una la mînă, familia rotschild nu era america...   12 Dec 2010, 04:53 PM
Marduk   QUOTE(Rovaniemi @ 12 Dec 2010, 04:53 PM) ...   12 Dec 2010, 05:08 PM
Rovaniemi   QUOTE(Marduk @ 12 Dec 2010, 05:08 PM) cin...   12 Dec 2010, 07:06 PM
The Dude   Nu, nu discutam de afirmatia colaterala a lui Cla....   12 Dec 2010, 07:58 PM
Rovaniemi   Dacă vii și omori în stilul ăsta di...   12 Dec 2010, 09:10 PM
The Dude   QUOTECount me out of this ... ...un mare castig p...   13 Dec 2010, 08:25 AM
Marduk   QUOTE(The Dude @ 12 Dec 2010, 07:58 PM) D...   13 Dec 2010, 09:43 AM
The Dude   QUOTE(Marduk @ 13 Dec 2010, 10:43 AM) mul...   13 Dec 2010, 11:27 AM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 12:27 PM) F...   13 Dec 2010, 11:41 AM
The Dude   QUOTE(turbo trabant @ 13 Dec 2010, 12:41 ...   13 Dec 2010, 12:27 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 01:27 PM) M...   13 Dec 2010, 12:33 PM
The Dude   Nu Marduk...nu vorbim aici de ezoterismul Ordinulu...   13 Dec 2010, 10:15 AM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 11:15 AM) H...   13 Dec 2010, 10:47 AM
little1   Poate c-ar trebui sa insiri aici cateva din specul...   13 Dec 2010, 10:39 AM
The Dude   ...sigur ca totul se leaga..in unele minti...acolo...   13 Dec 2010, 11:12 AM
little1   http://ironsky.net/ mm?   13 Dec 2010, 02:03 PM
Cla   @ March, Rovaniemi: Prof. A. Sutton - Wall Street ...   13 Dec 2010, 02:22 PM
The Dude   Varză tt-ule, adica asa cum ar veni in banii ...   13 Dec 2010, 03:14 PM
March   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 05:14 PM) I...   13 Dec 2010, 04:42 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 13 Dec 2010, 04:14 PM) e...   13 Dec 2010, 05:02 PM
The Dude   TT, las-o cum a cazut...Admit ca subiectul ar pute...   14 Dec 2010, 02:55 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 14 Dec 2010, 03:55 PM) H...   14 Dec 2010, 06:12 PM
The Dude   QUOTEA few months later Hess became Hitler's p...   14 Dec 2010, 03:04 PM
The Dude   QUOTEThe Thule Gesellschaft was founded in 1919 by...   14 Dec 2010, 03:17 PM
The Dude   QUOTEThe Legacy of Rudolf Hess Mark Weber On the...   14 Dec 2010, 03:20 PM
The Dude   QUOTENothing better points up the essential injust...   14 Dec 2010, 03:28 PM
kumarbi   oficial, Hess a stat in puscarie pana la capatul s...   14 Dec 2010, 03:56 PM
The Dude   ...sau si-a facut niste socoteli. Asadar, pana la ...   15 Dec 2010, 09:08 AM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 15 Dec 2010, 10:08 AM) A...   15 Dec 2010, 01:42 PM
The Dude   Intr-o alta varianta la fel de fantezista, se suge...   15 Dec 2010, 09:56 AM
little1   QUOTE(The Dude @ 15 Dec 2010, 11:56 AM) I...   15 Dec 2010, 12:02 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(little1 @ 15 Dec 2010, 01:02 PM) .....   15 Dec 2010, 01:15 PM
exergy33   QUOTE(The Dude @ 15 Dec 2010, 11:56 AM) I...   15 Dec 2010, 12:59 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(exergy33 @ 15 Dec 2010, 01:59 PM) M...   15 Dec 2010, 02:01 PM
cocosel   Rudolf Hess este un personaj cu adevarat controver...   15 Dec 2010, 06:03 PM
little1   QUOTE(cocosel @ 15 Dec 2010, 08:03 PM) Ru...   15 Dec 2010, 11:31 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(cocosel @ 15 Dec 2010, 07:03 PM) Ac...   16 Dec 2010, 09:01 AM
cocosel   QUOTECoco, nu fi nashpa...daca o iei asa atlantii ...   16 Dec 2010, 06:32 PM
March   QUOTE(cocosel @ 16 Dec 2010, 08:32 PM) Ai...   16 Dec 2010, 06:58 PM
cocosel   QUOTE(March @ 16 Dec 2010, 06:58 PM) @ Co...   16 Dec 2010, 07:35 PM
March   QUOTE(cocosel @ 16 Dec 2010, 09:35 PM) Ma...   16 Dec 2010, 07:39 PM
little1   QUOTE(The Dude @ 16 Dec 2010, 11:01 AM) L...   16 Dec 2010, 10:59 PM
The Dude   QUOTENu cumva invazia a avut deja loc ???. Nu am ...   15 Dec 2010, 10:05 AM
Marduk   QUOTE(The Dude @ 15 Dec 2010, 09:08 AM) ....   15 Dec 2010, 10:33 AM
Blakut   1. Ce cauta topicul asta la dincolo de ratiune? Er...   17 Dec 2010, 12:41 AM
The Dude   Blackut, citeste topicul mai inainte sa faci remar...   17 Dec 2010, 11:23 AM
little1   QUOTE...poate pentru tine. Observatii care au cat ...   17 Dec 2010, 01:04 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(little1 @ 17 Dec 2010, 02:04 PM) Me...   18 Dec 2010, 06:37 PM
The Dude   QUOTEAsa ca Dude erai mai inspirat daca incepeam d...   17 Dec 2010, 11:33 AM
March   Alo ! Chibitii ! Lasa-ti omu' sa-si ex...   17 Dec 2010, 12:29 PM
The Dude   ...chiar si asa Hess nu lasa multe alte posibilita...   19 Dec 2010, 03:00 PM
The Dude   Urmeaza un serial in mai multe episoade despre dat...   19 Dec 2010, 03:03 PM
The Dude   QUOTEMulti istorici incearca sa raspunda la intreb...   19 Dec 2010, 03:05 PM
The Dude   QUOTEIn 1990, colonelul Igor Frelin din KGB a facu...   19 Dec 2010, 03:08 PM
The Dude   QUOTEIpoteza "dublurii" Doi cercetator...   19 Dec 2010, 03:11 PM
Marduk   Ok, desi am decis sa nu deranjez acest topic cu pa...   19 Dec 2010, 05:51 PM
The Dude   Marduk, welcome aboard Hai sa o spun altfel. Ma...   20 Dec 2010, 09:26 AM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 20 Dec 2010, 10:26 AM) U...   20 Dec 2010, 05:49 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(turbo trabant @ 20 Dec 2010, 06:49 ...   21 Dec 2010, 12:16 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 21 Dec 2010, 01:16 PM) ....   21 Dec 2010, 12:28 PM
Blakut   QUOTEUn scenariu posibil este sa declansez un conf...   20 Dec 2010, 05:23 PM
March   Unde-i ingropat Hess ? Cine sunt urmasii lui ?   21 Dec 2010, 12:19 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(March @ 21 Dec 2010, 01:19 PM) Unde...   28 Dec 2010, 09:46 PM
The Dude   QUOTE(March @ 21 Dec 2010, 01:19 PM) Unde...   29 Dec 2010, 03:19 PM
Marduk   QUOTE(turbo trabant @ 20 Dec 2010, 05:49 ...   21 Dec 2010, 01:35 PM
Marduk   QUOTE(The Dude @ 20 Dec 2010, 09:26 AM) C...   21 Dec 2010, 01:51 PM
The Dude   QUOTE...daca tu spui, nu pot decat sa ma inclin re...   22 Dec 2010, 10:28 AM
The Dude   Daaaa, stiu cum suna...nu e nevoie de interventii ...   22 Dec 2010, 12:39 PM
The Dude   Acum declaratiile lui Hess: "I said before ...   28 Dec 2010, 09:43 PM
The Dude   "A Tunisian medical orderly, Abdallah Melaouh...   28 Dec 2010, 09:49 PM
The Dude   ...pentru cei care au nimerit in mijlocul topiculu...   28 Dec 2010, 09:55 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 28 Dec 2010, 10:55 PM) I...   29 Dec 2010, 11:27 AM
The Dude   QUOTE(turbo trabant @ 29 Dec 2010, 12:27 ...   29 Dec 2010, 03:07 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 29 Dec 2010, 04:07 PM) c...   29 Dec 2010, 03:23 PM
The Dude   Richard Arnold-Baker (un aristocrat german pe nume...   28 Dec 2010, 09:58 PM
little1   edit: change of heart   28 Dec 2010, 11:48 PM
The Dude   ...very clever ...exista o lista lunga de aparate ...   29 Dec 2010, 03:29 PM
turbo trabant   QUOTE(The Dude @ 29 Dec 2010, 04:29 PM) ....   29 Dec 2010, 03:34 PM
The Dude   ...dupa cum exista o sumedenie de termeni pentru c...   29 Dec 2010, 03:43 PM
The Dude   Rudolf Hess a fost diagnosticat oficial ca “hypoch...   29 Dec 2010, 05:32 PM
The Dude   "If our readers have ever read anything on ch...   29 Dec 2010, 05:40 PM
The Dude   "As if these events were not already incredib...   29 Dec 2010, 05:55 PM
The Dude   ..cu mentiunea ca Peterson era un apropiat al duce...   29 Dec 2010, 06:10 PM
The Dude   "This would seem to contradict the commonly h...   29 Dec 2010, 06:16 PM
The Dude   ....paralela dintre fuga lui Hess si cea a formato...   29 Dec 2010, 06:27 PM
The Dude   "It is unclear beyond this point as to what b...   29 Dec 2010, 06:33 PM
The Dude   "The fact that the Lebor Feasa Runda (Book of...   29 Dec 2010, 06:39 PM
The Dude   Among the individuals brought in to interrogate hi...   29 Dec 2010, 06:45 PM
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