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Lucifer
mesaj 25 Apr 2005, 02:40 AM
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O mina de oameni imping omenirea inainte. Ei fac descoperirile si inventiile ce apoi le folosesc din plin nestiutorii. Telefon, televizor, camera video, calculator, Internet. Copilul se naste cu acestea in casa si i se par banale. Lucruri care intr-un miliard de ani nu ar fi aparut daca toti oamenii de pe planeta ar fi fost asemeni lui ! Lucruri care cu adevarat ar fi trebuit sa fie niste miracole pentru el, sint de fapt niste banale instrumente de divertisment ce poseda butoane usor de apasat.
Trebuie sa recunoastem asta cu totii ca 99 % din oamenii planetei sau mai multi, suntem niste profitori (fara voia noastra) de pe urma unei minoritati care prin inteligenta lor deosebita ne tirasc si pe noi artificial inainte !


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mesaj 25 Apr 2005, 03:16 AM
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Nu stiu daca e vorba de 99%. Cand se fac statistici pe un esantion/lot de subiecti pentru a li se masura inteligenta, se obtine, daca testul este reusit, o diagrama ce pleaca de foarte jos, urca destul de mult, dupa care coboara sub acelasi unghi. La un capat si la altul sunt cei foarte slabi si cei foarte buni (geniile). Noi, majoritatea, ne aflam in mijloc.
E drept ca aici sunt cei mai multi, dar nici cei foarte slabi, sau cei foarte inteligenti, nu sunt de neglijat.

Oricum, nu numai inteligenta reprezinta factorul determinant ce-l conduce pe indivit catre o cariera stiintifica. Au fost dintotdeauna oameni cu sete de cunoastere, ce au facut totul cu pasiune; oameni pentru care anumite lucruri au devenit obsesii. Cred ca am putea spune ca obsesiile unor semeni ne-au adus in stadiul in care suntem - la dezvoltarea unor tehnologii care, la randul lor, au produs in lant dezvoltarea altora s.a.m.d.

Nu este de ajuns sa fi foarte inteligent pentru a-ti aduce aprotul la progresul omenirii, dupa cum am mai spus. Daca nu ma insel, persoana cu cel mai amre IQ din lume (o fata), a esuat lamentabil in viata, cazand prada anturajului. Si da, intr-adevar, putem spune ca sunt mici minuni toate tehnologiile astea de care dispunem in prezent. Cine s-ar fi inchipuit asa ceva cu cateva sute/mii de ani in urma ? N-am auzit de nici o profetie care sa fi prezis ceea ce traim noi in sec XXI. Astazi, futurologii, au "materialul necesar" - aflat in stadiu incipient, cu care pot face predictii in legatura cu cam ce ne asteapta intr-un viitor mai mult sau mai putin indepartat. Oricum, se pare ca SF-ul de azi, reprezinta viitorul de "maine".


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mesaj 25 Apr 2005, 03:29 AM
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Eu cred ca testele de masurare a inteligentei nu pot de fapt cuprinde aceasta calitate. Ea este mult mai mult decit se poate cuprinde in teste. Ea este Totul


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mesaj 25 Apr 2005, 03:38 AM
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Este adevarat. Testele nu ne masoara inteligenta decat intr-o oarecare masura, sunt relative. Asta ar fi si un motiv pentru care, mai nou, se merge pe idea mai multor tipuri de inteligenta. Inteligenta emotionala, sociala, etc.


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mesaj 25 Apr 2005, 03:54 AM
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Eu dau urmatoarea definitie inteligentei: capacitatea de a realiza/creea lucruri, ginduri, idei noi de preferinta folositoare.


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mesaj 25 Apr 2005, 05:35 AM
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Ce e aia folositor?


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mesaj 25 Apr 2005, 06:09 AM
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Care face un bine marii majoritati a oamenilor (ca sa nu ne bagam si la animale sa nu complicam)
Oricum animalele sint sacrificate de oameni.


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mesaj 25 Apr 2005, 07:42 AM
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Lucifer, esti sigur ca te simti bine? Nu te-au epuizat ideile astea? rolleyes.gif


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mesaj 25 Apr 2005, 07:48 AM
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@Lucifer: nu, zau? si egoistii cum sunt? prosti de bubuie? rolleyes.gif


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M-am gindit timp de 6 ani si tot nu am inteles logica frazei tale.


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mesaj 8 Mar 2011, 03:53 AM
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QUOTE(Lucifer @ 25 Apr 2005, 01:40 AM) *
O mina de oameni

Ce-i aia, eu cunosc mine de pix, de cupru, de haur, etc.
Daca tot faci pe filosoful, ti-e lene sa scrii "O mâna de oameni"?
Atunci nu te mira ca nu întelegi dupa sase ani ce zice cineva.

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mesaj 8 Mar 2011, 11:54 AM
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@Cla: in mediul literar exista o veche polemica in ceea ce priveste utilizarea lui î din a şi â din i. wink.gif


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QUOTE(Lucifer @ 8 Mar 2011, 03:12 AM) *
M-am gindit timp de 6 ani si tot nu am inteles logica frazei tale.

Vad ca ai meditat timp de sase ani la aceast subiect.


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mesaj 25 Mar 2011, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(Lucifer @ 25 Apr 2005, 04:40 AM) *
Trebuie sa recunoastem asta cu totii ca 99 % din oamenii planetei sau mai multi, suntem niste profitori (fara voia noastra) de pe urma unei minoritati care prin inteligenta lor deosebita ne tirasc si pe noi artificial inainte !


Ne tarasc spre marele nimic.

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This energetic connection with the surroundings was immense; an incredible exchange on all levels was constantly taking place. It is within the context of this immenseness that our words, our 'rationality', our technical pragmatics seem so narrow, so very small. Far from being primitive, these were people enjoying and interested in preserving immenseness. This is no idealism. A concrete experience in nature can demonstrate the incredible power of the outdoors. One may engage in an intense, strenuous experience with others for a few hours (a night hike or some such) and then afterwards meander about in total silence, gesturing at most, exploring movement, smells, and impulses. This will give a taste of how rich it all is. This is what we have lost in our narrow obsessiveness with technicality. What Zen practitioners strive for a lifetime for, our ancestors had by birthright. Sure, they didn't know how to make a waterwheel or how to harness electricity; they didn't want to: they had better things to do! It is even remotely conceivable that they did know of these things, in potential form at least, but saw them as trivial to the process of life...


http://paimei02.blogspot.com/2010/02/sens.html

De unde vin toate minunile astea:
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazin...ution-in-china/

http://www.primitivism.com/facets-myth.htm
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I can remember vividly sitting at the dinner table arguing with my father about progress, using upon him all the experience and wisdom I had gathered at the age of fifteen. Of course we live in an era of progress, I said, just look at cars -- how clumsy and unreliable and slow they were in the old days, how sleek and efficient and speedy they are now.

He raised an eyebrow, just a little. And what has been the result of having all these wonderful new sleek and efficient and speedy cars? he asked. I was taken aback. I searched for a way to answer. He went on.
How many people die each year as a result of these speedy cars, how many are maimed and crippled? What is life like for the people who produce them, on those famous assembly lines, the same routinized job hour after hour, day after day, like Chaplin's film? How many fields and forests and even towns and villages have been paved over so that these cars can get to all the places they want to get to -- and park there? Where does all the gasoline come from, and at what cost, and what happens when we burn it and exhaust it?


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