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mesaj 21 Jan 2007, 01:20 AM
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Ceausescu si poporul! Ceausescu si poporul!


Nici nu ma asteptam sa te manifesti altfel decat ca un apologist wink.gif


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Care i problema Axel, stii ce e aia democratie ? Oamenii au stiut ce aleg.
In nici un caz nu ai voie sa zici : oamenii sunt prosti ! sa le luam dreptul la vot ! - te transformi in cea ce urasti - dictator. Am spus - cand aud ca isi inchide oponentii , si cenzureaza tot - adica e dictator, nu il mai sustin. Dar am incredere ca nu va face aceste lucruri


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mesaj 21 Jan 2007, 02:39 AM
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Imi pare rau, dar habar n-ai ce e aia democratie.


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Ce e ? "Vointa poporului". Cum isi exprima poporul vointa ? Prin vot. Votul nu trebuie obstructionat in nici un fel
Uite aici un congressman american tine un discurs. Spune cum e legata stabilitatea dolarului de faptul ca petrolul in intreaga lume se vinde pe dolari, si actiunile USA pentru a mentine acest lucru
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...5139643041382&q

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QED


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Ce destept esti. Daca Chavez nu mai lasa sa se organizeze alegeri - dictator. Pana atunci nu


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Cum spuneam, n-ai nici macar cunostinte elementare despre democratie...


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Cand o sa aud ca isi impusca sau inchide oponentii atunci nu il mai sustin


In general asa gandeste si poporul, dar problema e ca daca trebuie sa se ajunga la asta ca un popor sa se trezeasca, e prea tarziu...


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First they came.....

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When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."


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mesaj 21 Jan 2007, 09:06 PM
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Stiu poezia aia, e foarte buna pentru America, nu stiu ce are cu Venezuela.
Cautati si voi filme despre Venezuela pe google video sa vedeti ce e pe acolo, cata vreme nu inchide pe nimeni si organizeaza iar alegeri in 2012 cand isi termina mandatul nu stiu ce aveti cu el
Explica mi axel ce e aia democratie ?

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mesaj 21 Jan 2007, 09:07 PM
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Poezia aia a fost facuta despre nazism.
Poezia aia, adaptata, merge si despre "war on terror".
Poezia aia, adaptata, merge si despre instaurarea oricarei dictataturi. Comuniste sau nu.


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Dictatura - nu mai poti spune orice , nu mai sunt alegeri. In Venezuela nu e asa
In SUA e dictatura, poti inca sa spui orice, si alegerile nu mai sunt, au fost furate. Observatorii internationali s-au declarat mai multumiti de alegerile din Venezuela decat cele din SUA

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Da? Atunci cum explici reflexele de dictator ale lui Chavez? (vezi articolul postat acum 2 zile)


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Explica mi axel ce e aia democratie ?


Eh, cauta si tu pe google un film...


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A mai avut o perioada in care a condus la fel. Ii permite constitutia daca a cerut acordul parlamentului.
Blakut, sa explic ce se intampla in Venezuela mi-ar lua o zi sa scriu aici. Deomocratie e mai usor de explicat si am si spus definitia mea


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Uitati aici : Chavez inaintea alegerilor a renuntat la emisiunea lui de 6 ore in fiecare duminica ,unde vorbea prin telefon cu oamenii , ca sa nu se spuna ca are mai mult timp la tv decat opozitia. Am gasit si eu ceva bun despre el sa va arat
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A vociferous former paratroop commander who revels in the role of talk-show host, Chavez suspended "Hello President" over five months ago, saying that broadcasting the weekly program would have constituted unfair use of state airtime ahead of December's presidential election.


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Chavez gets sweeping new powers

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been granted new special powers after an extraordinary assembly vote in the main square of the capital, Caracas.

Mr Chavez will now be able to rule by decree for the next 18 months.

His planned reforms will affect the energy sector, telecommunications, the economy and defence, among others.

Mr Chavez has said the legislation will transform the country into a socialist society. Opponents describe the new law as an abuse of power.

In the open-air public ceremony in the capital, lawmakers voted unanimously to grant the Venezuelan leader the new powers, shouting: "Long live Socialism."

Congressional Vice President Roberto Hernandez said the assembly passed the law so Mr Chavez could "urgently set up the framework for resolving the grave problems we have".

According to the so-called enabling law, the president can remake laws for "the construction of a new, sustainable economic and social model" to achieve an equal distribution of wealth.

Mr Chavez will be able to effect change by presidential decree in 11 broad areas.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6315819.stm


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mesaj 1 Feb 2007, 12:48 AM
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http://business.guardian.co.uk/davos2007/s...2001022,00.html
Fast track authority pentru Bush


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Esti offtopic, Jet Li. Ce ai postat tu n-are nici o legatura cu Chavez.


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Gata ! Hugo a devenit EL Lider Maximo al Venezuelei ! Parlamentul l-a votat cu mana sus si a strigat la unison : " Traiasca poporul suveran ! Traiasca presedintele Chavez ! Traiasca socialismul ! Patria, socialismul sau moartea ! "

Asta se intampla in tara care este al 4-lea producator de petrol din lume !

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Si ce daca e al 4 lea producator ? Daca vor sa nu mai vanda nimanui sau sa vanda Chinei in loc de US e dreptul lor. Dupa cum s-a comportat US in Venezuela - lovitura de stat, si in America de Sud de obicei, asta ar merita

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In an executive order published last week in the Federal Register, Bush said that each agency must have a regulatory policy office run by a political appointee, to supervise the development of rules and documents providing guidance to regulated industries. The White House will thus have a gatekeeper in each agency to analyze the costs and the benefits of new rules and to make sure the agencies carry out the president’s priorities.



http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/30/new...b.0130prexy.php

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Meat, Sugar Scarce in Venezuela Stores

CARACAS, Venezuela -- Meat cuts vanished from Venezuelan supermarkets this week, leaving only unsavory bits like chicken feet, while costly artificial sweeteners have increasingly replaced sugar, and many staples sell far above government-fixed prices.

President Hugo Chavez's administration blames the food supply problems on unscrupulous speculators, but industry officials say government price controls that strangle profits are responsible. Authorities on Wednesday raided a warehouse in Caracas and seized seven tons of sugar hoarded by vendors unwilling to market the inventory at the official price.

Major private supermarkets suspended sales of beef earlier this week after one chain was shut down for 48 hours for pricing meat above government-set levels, but an agreement reached with the government on Wednesday night promises to return meat to empty refrigerator shelves.

Shortages have sporadically appeared with items from milk to coffee since early 2003, when Chavez began regulating prices for 400 basic products as a way to counter inflation and protect the poor.

Yet inflation has soared to an accumulated 78 percent in the last four years in an economy awash in petrodollars, and food prices have increased particularly swiftly, creating a widening discrepancy between official prices and the true cost of getting goods to market in Venezuela.

"Shortages have increased significantly as well as violations of price controls," Central Bank director Domingo Maza Zavala told the Venezuelan broadcaster Union Radio on Thursday. "The difference between real market prices and controlled prices is very high."

Most items can still be found, but only by paying a hefty markup at grocery stores or on the black market. A glance at prices in several Caracas supermarkets this week showed milk, ground coffee, cheese and beans selling between 30 percent to 60 percent above regulated prices.

The state runs a nationwide network of subsidized food stores, but in recent months some items have become increasingly hard to find.

At a giant outdoor market held last weekend by the government to address the problems, a street vendor crushed raw sugar cane to sell juice to weary shoppers waiting in line to buy sugar.

"They say there are no shortages, but I'm not finding anything in the stores," grumbled Ana Diaz, a 70-year-old housewife who after eight hours, had managed to fill a bag with chicken, milk, vegetable oil and sugar bought at official prices. "There's a problem somewhere, and it needs to be fixed."

Gonzalo Asuaje, president of the meat processors association Afrigo, said that costs and demand have surged but in four years the government has barely raised the price of beef, which now stands at $1.82 per pound. Simply getting beef to retailers now costs $2.41 per pound without including any markup, he said.

"They want to sell it at the same price the cattle breeder gets for his cow," he said. "It's impossible."

After a meeting with government officials Wednesday, supermarkets association head Luis Rodriguez told the TV channel Globovision that beef and chicken will be available at regulated prices within two to three days. He did not say whether the government would be subsidizing sales or if negotiations on price controls would continue.

The government has urged Venezuelans to refrain from panic buying and is looking to imports to help.

Jorge Alvarado, trade secretary at the Bolivian Embassy in Caracas, told the state news agency that Venezuela's government plans to import 330 tons of Bolivian beef next week, eventually bringing that to 11,000 tons a year. It also plans to import 8,250 tons of beans, chicken, soybeans and cooking oil, Alvarado said.

Government officials dismiss any problems with price controls, while state TV has begun running tickers urging the public to "denounce the hoarders and speculators" through a toll-free phone number.

"The weight of the law will be felt, and we demand punishment," Information Minister Willian Lara said Wednesday.


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mesaj 10 Feb 2007, 12:19 PM
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Atentie JetLi ! Au inceput construirea socialismului ! In curand or sa moara de foame cu petrolul lor in brate ! Si Cuba exporta o gramada de zahar !!


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Tot tin cu Chavez, sper sa reauseasca, nu o sa moara nimeni de foame, oamenii nu mananca bani.


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QUOTE (jet li @ 13 Feb 2007, 12:10 PM)
oamenii nu mananca bani.

Exact. Daca te-ai fi obosit sa citesti articolul despre fixarea preturilor si efectele lor, ai fi remarcat ca oamenii au acum bani de cumparat mancare pe care nu-i pot folosi in acest scop. Pentru ca magazinele refuza sa vanda mai ieftin decat ar cumpara de la distribuitor/producator.


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Viva Chavez! Que se chingan todos los capitalistas de mierda y los putos rumanos que son pinches victimas del consumismo neoliberal!
Viva la revolucion bolivariana!
El pueblo unido jamas sera vencido!

Mis huevos son tus ojos ,mi verga tu nariz,puto capitalista!

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QUOTE (entropy @ 1 Mar 2007, 12:27 AM)
Viva Chavez! Que se chingan todos los capitalistas de mierda y los putos rumanos que son pinches victimas del consumismo neoliberal!
Viva la revolucion bolivariana!
El pueblo unido jamas sera vencido!

Mis huevos son tus ojos ,mi verga tu nariz,puto capitalista!

Bre stai linistit ca nu mai avem locuri libere la balaceanca ! laugh.gif


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Proteste-anti-Chavez-la-Caracas

In capitala Venezuelei, la Caracas, Poliția a folosit tunurile cu apă pentru a dispersa demonstranții, care contestă o decizia președintelui Hugo Chavez. Protestul a venit ca reacție la hotărârea liderului venezuelean de a închide un post de televiziune al opoziției.

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N-ar fi rau sa facem niste pariuri cu privire la soarta lui Chavez. Daca va sfarsi ca " Geniul Carpatilor" sau va cere azil politic in Cuba.


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Daca vreti sa stiti ce a facut postul acela de televiziune - anume a ajutat lovitura de stat din 2001 transmitand stiri mincinoase despre ce se intampla, vedeti aici :

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

Chavez nu l-a inchis, doar nu i-a reanoit licenta. In alta tara in care era vreo lovitura de stat, erau toti din televiziunea aia arestati si televiziunea inchisa inca din 2001.
Daca vreti sa continuati sa vorbiti despre Chavez imaginadu-va cam cum ar "trebui" sa fie, nu va uitati la filmul de mai sus.

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QUOTE (jet li @ 29 May 2007, 01:21 PM)

Chavez nu l-a inchis, doar nu i-a reanoit licenta.

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La ei, sergentul-presedinte condamna mass media care il critica . Parlamentul nu, pentru ca ii aproba toate decretele prin ridicarea mainilor sau prin aclamatii !

Hugo Chavez ataca un post de televiziune al opoziției, calificându-l drept "dușman al poporului" la câteva zile după ce a închis un alt post.
"Vă recomand să vă liniștiți și să vă aliniați, pentru că altfel, voi face ceea ce este nevoie", a avertizat Chavez.

Postul
Globovision ( la fel , cel inchis RCTV ) e un fel de " Antena 3" de la noi .

" Loialitatea tv" a lor, televiziunea de stat , a prezentat sute de simpatizanți ai Guvernului demonstrând în piata din centrul capitalei , aclamând decizia lui Chavez.

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Una e libertatea de expresie, imi place, alta e raspandirea de minciuni si ajutarea unei lovituri de stat :


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By Bart Jones
The Los Angeles Times
May 30, 2005

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's refusal to renew the license of Radio Caracas Television might seem to justify fears that Chavez is crushing free speech and eliminating any voices critical of him.

Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Committee to Protect Journalists and members of the European Parliament, the U.S. Senate and even Chile's Congress have denounced the closure of RCTV, Venezuela's oldest private television network. Chavez's detractors got more ammunition Tuesday when the president included another opposition network, Globovision, among the "enemies of the homeland."

But the case of RCTV — like most things involving Chavez — has been caught up in a web of misinformation. While one side of the story is getting headlines around the world, the other is barely heard.

The demise of RCTV is indeed a sad event in some ways for Venezuelans. Founded in 1953, it was an institution in the country, having produced the long-running political satire program "Radio Rochela" and the blisteringly realistic nighttime soap opera "Por Estas Calles." It was RCTV that broadcast the first live-from-satellite images in Venezuela when it showed Neil Armstrong walking on the moon in 1969.

But after Chavez was elected president in 1998, RCTV shifted to another endeavor: ousting a democratically elected leader from office. Controlled by members of the country's fabulously wealthy oligarchy including RCTV chief Marcel Granier, it saw Chavez and his "Bolivarian Revolution" on behalf of Venezuela's majority poor as a threat.

RCTV's most infamous effort to topple Chavez came during the April 11, 2002, coup attempt against him. For two days before the putsch, RCTV preempted regular programming and ran wall-to-wall coverage of a general strike aimed at ousting Chavez. A stream of commentators spewed nonstop vitriolic attacks against him — while permitting no response from the government.

Then RCTV ran nonstop ads encouraging people to attend a march on April 11 aimed at toppling Chavez and broadcast blanket coverage of the event. When the march ended in violence, RCTV and Globovision ran manipulated video blaming Chavez supporters for scores of deaths and injuries.

After military rebels overthrew Chavez and he disappeared from public view for two days, RCTV's biased coverage edged fully into sedition. Thousands of Chavez supporters took to the streets to demand his return, but none of that appeared on RCTV or other television stations. RCTV News Director Andres Izarra later testified at National Assembly hearings on the coup attempt that he received an order from superiors at the station: "Zero pro-Chavez, nothing related to Chavez or his supporters…. The idea was to create a climate of transition and to start to promote the dawn of a new country." While the streets of Caracas burned with rage, RCTV ran cartoons, soap operas and old movies such as "Pretty Woman." On April 13, 2002, Granier and other media moguls met in the Miraflores palace to pledge support to the country's coup-installed dictator, Pedro Carmona, who had eliminated the Supreme Court, the National Assembly and the Constitution.

Would a network that aided and abetted a coup against the government be allowed to operate in the United States? The U.S. government probably would have shut down RCTV within five minutes after a failed coup attempt — and thrown its owners in jail. Chavez's government allowed it to continue operating for five years, and then declined to renew its 20-year license to use the public airwaves. It can still broadcast on cable or via satellite dish.

Granier and others should not be seen as free-speech martyrs. Radio, TV and newspapers remain uncensored, unfettered and unthreatened by the government. Most Venezuelan media are still controlled by the old oligarchy and are staunchly anti-Chavez.

If Granier had not decided to try to oust the country's president, Venezuelans might still be able to look forward to more broadcasts of "Radio Rochela."


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QUOTE (jet li @ 8 Jun 2007, 01:36 AM)
Una e libertatea de expresie, imi place, alta e raspandirea de minciuni si ajutarea unei lovituri de stat :

Pai un dictator in felul asta se da jos ! Si mai poate sfarsi si la zid !


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