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Am amanat putin .


March

Vezi daca te-ai obisnuit cu propaganda ce concluzii tragi? Cum sa fie cineva care e sorsa transgender, draga March?

Mai cauta o data pe google . Poate fi si sor-sa si frate-su . La alegere

Draga March transexualul poate fi. Sorsa niciodata. Mai gandeste si tu putin.

ALFO,
Studiaza aici si vezi unde te incadrezi ! Dar sa stii ca m-ai interesa numai daca esti gender "F" nu gender " nu completez"

Transgenderist—

Transgenderists are men and women who prefer to steer away from gender role extremes and perfect an androgynous presentation of gender. They incorporate elements of both masculinity and femininity into their appearance. Some persons may see them as male, and by others as female. They may live part of their life as a man, and part as a woman, or they may live entirely in their new gender role but without plans for genital surgery.

Transsexual—
Men and women whose gender identity more closely matches the other physical sex are termed transsexual. These individuals desire to rid themselves of their primary and secondary sexual characteristics and live as members of the other sex.

Transsexuals are diagnostically divided into the sub-categories of Primary or Secondary. Primary transsexuals display an unrelenting and high degree of gender dysphoria, usually from an early age (four to six years of age). Secondary transsexuals usually come to a full realization of their condition in their twenties and thirties, but may not act on their feelings until they are much older. Typically, secondary transsexuals first go through phases that would be self-assessed as being a "crossdresser or transgenderist."



The last of our five attributes, Gender Identity, is the last to be identified, and the least understood and researched. Gender identity is one's subjective sense of one's own sex. Like pain, it is unambiguously felt but one is unable to prove or display it to others. One's subjective gender is just as real and immalleable as one's physical gender but unfortunately not recognized in our culture. When one's Gender Identity does not match their Physical Gender, the individual is termed Gender Dysphoric. Like minority Sexual Orientation, Gender Dysphoria is not pathological, but a natural aberration occurring within the population, like blue eyes. As with minority sexual orientation, the percentage of the population having gender dysphoria is in dispute, with estimates ranging between one in 39,000 individuals up to three percent of the general population. My experience leads me to feel that the higher figure (3%) is closer to the actual prevalence.

Physically male gender dysphoric individuals have been described, either by themselves or by others, as falling into three distinct groups: crossdressers, transgenderists and transsexuals.

While these categories are the generally accepted classifications both within the gender community and among helping professionals, during my work with gender folk I have come to the belief that there is only one cause, one conflict, one condition — but there are many reactions and adjustments to it. I have gradually come to the conclusion that one's coming to terms with the conflict between one's knowledge of their true gender and one's need to be "normal" fosters the same conflict in all gender folk. Because a child's greatest desire is to be normal (like everybody else), the great majority of transgendered individuals create an artificial self which meets this goal. They are often so successful at this that they not only fool everyone else but themselves as well — at least part of the time, in some way.

Once created, physically male gender folk live in their male role — a 3-D personality with its own goals, likes and dislikes, values, hobbies, etc. Although indistinguishable from the "real thing," it isn't themselves. It is an artificial creation for them to be able to fit in. This is achieved at the expense of denying, locking away, their natural female self. (See Brain Gender and Brain Sex.) Their desire to be "normal" has denied them their natural selves. But, as the nagging reality of the deception becomes harder and harder to suppress, one has to express their true gender somehow, in some way.

For most, dressing is the obvious compromise. If one cannot be female, one can at least express femininity. But the more one expresses one's true self, the desire for more becomes greater. Some individuals continue expressing themselves more and more, others panic and purge only to start again later.

One's gender identity classification (crossdresser, transgenderist, transsexual, etc.) is due to each individual's adjustment

Coane...daca ziceai ladyboy poate era mai usor

Sau Katoy la la Thai

Sorin.

March tu vrei sa ma agati.....

Nu ma incadrez in niciuna din categoriile alea, identitatea mea sexuala corespunde cu sexualitatea fizica care la randul ei prezinta doar caracteristicile unui singur sex. Orientarea mea e exclusiv hetero. Cu alte cuvinte normal/normala din toate punctele de vedere.
Ceea ce nu inseamna ca nu sunt sora mea sau ca genul meu nu e: nu completez.

Indiferent ce as fi M sau F ( doar una din astea doua sunt ) conteaza mai putin. Aici importante sunt ideile noastre nu-i asa? Esti cumva misogin sau feminista , nu poti discuta la fel cu cineva indiferent de sexul acestuia/acesteia?

Acest topic a fost editat de alfa: 11 Dec 2005, 10:56 PM

alfa

Citat din raspunsul dat lui March: " Esti cumva misogin sau feminista , nu poti discuta la fel cu cineva indiferent de sexul acestuia/acesteia? "

Oare tu poti ?!?!?

Evident nu cred ca am facut discriminari. Cand e vorba doar de idei de ce nu? Ti-am raspuns diferit pentru ca pretinzi ca esti F de cum am raspuns celor M? Cand si unde?

Acest topic a fost editat de alfa: 11 Dec 2005, 11:17 PM

Ati dormit un pic?

Am scris povestea de somn adanc si-mi caut prin poiana maracinele pentru tinut in brate in noaptea asta. Numai de m-ar fura somnul repde si de as uita toate cele pana in zori...

alfa

Nu era vorba de discriminari ci de o oarecare impartialitate , sau mai bine zis de constientizarea faptului ca cel/cea cu care te-ai lansat intr-un schimb de idei este altfel (biologic) decit tine , iar acest fapt poate induce o schimbare de atitudine ...sau chiar o autocenzura.

De ce o fi trista Fantasee? Tocmai ea care parea mereu vesela...

Exergy de obicei ma concentrez pe idee nu cred ca-mi schimb atitudinea. Nici autocenzura nu prea functioneaza la mine, cred ca raspund la fel ambelor sexe... mai degraba raspund diferit in functie de persoana, de simpatii individuale sa le zic asa, decat de categorii sexuale.

Acest topic a fost editat de alfa: 11 Dec 2005, 11:58 PM

Daca tu crezi asta oare cine te poate contrazice ?!!!!

Noapte Buna .

I s-a parut vreunei F de pe forumul asta ca as fi misogin sau vreunui M ca as fi feminista?
Nu ma reprezinta din cate stiu eu nici una, nici cealalta.

Nu.....nu cred ca cineva pe aici sa-si faca probleme cu asa ceva

Copilarie grea, sau asa ceva?????????

Sorin.

Coane grea ca viata.

Nu va bateti, va rog...

Auzi Cla, tu pe unde te perinzi si de ce-ti ti handy-ul inchis?

Leule asa ma stii pe mine?? Adica ca unu care bate pustani

Sorin.

Poate te stie ca unu care o fura de la pustani.

??????????

Pustane.....ai de la mine o prajitura si un sut...le pastrez calde special pt. tine

Doar zi ce preferi mai intai

Sorin.

Acest topic a fost editat de SORIN: 12 Dec 2005, 12:55 AM

Ce nu intelegi? Sunt doua variante, te-ai referit doar la una.

Prefer prajitura scumpule... sutul nu apuci sa-l dai....

Acest topic a fost editat de alfa: 12 Dec 2005, 12:59 AM

Hai sa va lamuresc:
Sorin: Nuuu te stiu asa, esti baiat bun

Pacala Endgegner: Das Handy ist tot, kannst aber jederzeit per Feststation anrufen: 52 46 96.

alfa: Pusi , io-s Romeo...

Ja, ja...das Handy ist tot....aber.... wer ist Handy?

Romeo....du... bist du Handy?

Acest topic a fost editat de alfa: 12 Dec 2005, 01:08 AM

alfa...einfach fresse halten....

Cla,am vrut sa te chem la un vin incins vineri da canci ca n-am dat de tine. E
sti in regiunea Ziegelstein/Buchenühl/schafhof? Over

Leule...vezi ca asta e necuratu

N-am inteles ce ti-a zis, dar ai grija la bucale Mai stii de unde sare??

Sorin.

ps. Va urez o saptamana cat mai reusita

Wow!! Eu stau in Ziegelstein, ruf mich an! Könnten wir einfach einen Glühwein trinken...
alfa: Handy e doar un telefon celular... dar la fel de fain ca mine + Endgegner

era telefon celular...asta se intampla cand nu vorbesti romaneste...

Endgegner totusi voi vorbi cand doresc...




SORIN

P.S. : O saptamana cat mai reusita! Unde pleci?

Acest topic a fost editat de alfa: 12 Dec 2005, 01:40 AM

alfa

Pai atunci seria de mesaje pe care le trimiti si apoi le editezi , re-editezi sau le stergi complet ce reprezinta ?!

Schimbare de atitudine ( si asta intr-un rastimp de citeva ore sau chiar de citeva minute ) ?

La scoala

Sorin.

Neata buna

Bine, bine da nici chiar Tanga sa fi

btw

Neata buna tuturor

Sorine,
Grecii zic pusti . Poate o fi asa

Acest topic a fost editat de March: 12 Dec 2005, 09:49 AM

Chiar ca buna dimineata !

Buna Poiana!
March te invit la un caviar virtual (pus la gheata) stropit cu sampanie ...

Ceilalti forumisti sint si ei invitati !



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